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Never Meet Your Heroes - AIBU or was this rude? **Title edited by MNHQ**

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HedgehogPoo · 06/08/2018 23:14

Am I being a wee bit over-sensitive? Please don't flame me too badly as I'm aware that it's not the worst thing in the world and probably no big deal to some people.

A few nights ago I went to see a certain celebrity at a show. OP and I really liked Celeb and I would listen in whenever I heard his voice on the radio. After the show, my other half and I bought two books and stood in line to ask him to sign them. Celeb seemed to be very approachable and chatted to everyone in the queue, signing their books and personalising them with coloured pens. My book choice was based purely on a word in the title that is relevant to me. The words forms part of my Twitter name and is also relevant as it is also the dressing-up outfit that I use when operating as an environmental activist (believe it or not) in a campaign group that I support. A woman worked her way down the queue and wrote down everyone's choice of dedication on a post-it note so that Celeb would be able to read our dedications easily.

He wrote something nice on DP's book, saying that we were 'Gentle protectors of XXX', who is our beloved cat.

When I handed him my book, he wrinkled his nose and repeated the two words on the post-it. He said that in the past, a woman had given him a signature request with very similar wording. He had asked her what those words meant to her and she said that it was a name that she had given herself, so he had told her that she would forget about the reason for those words at a later date and he wasn't going to write them.

He asked me why I had chosen those words and I explained about the environmental campaign. When he asked which campaign, I explained the serious environmental damage that was involved in this fight to protect an important wildlife area and he said that Trump was trying to do similar in the US, without any regard for the environment. So far, so good! The two words on my dedication request were completely inoffensive and uncontroversial in the extreme and would be viewed as positive words.

However, he said that when the previous woman had given him that similar request, he had decided to write a certain word on her dedication instead. He went on to explain that she had been really angry and walked away, refusing to take the book. I did feel uneasy at this point but didn't want to make anything of it so faked amusement and laughed awkwardly at what he was saying. The CF then said that he was going to write the same on my book in addition to my request and when I looked down, he was writing 'Whore' in stencil style, then filled it in in red pen, right in the centre of the page. I was stunned and felt really awful about it but tried to brave it out (fecking hell, are we socialised to be compliant and not make a fuss or what??!!), laugh it off and appear to be cool with it, despite not feeling like laughing at all.

On the way home my partner and I both felt flat and extremely let down by Celeb. My view is that he took complete advantage of his position and wrote an unpleasant and misogynistic word, purely because he could. Celeb is extremely clever and very obviously witty with much of his humour being taken from observations in life. I have no idea why he would have sharpened his claws on me. I am averagely ancient, do not look, talk or behave like an arse and am also not very confident (apart from when wearing my activist kit!), so I know that I couldn't possibly have come over as negative or unpleasant in any way towards him. Why would I, as I had enjoyed seeing the 'Evening with' and was in a great mood as was everyone else.

My partner is really disappointed in Celeb too and he thought that it was an offensive and completely unnecessary thing to do. Our evening was spoiled and I feel humiliated and thoroughly shat upon. Celeb is also quite lucky as if he had done this to many women I know, they would have chewed him up and spat out the remains. It's possible that I was being unreasonable though, as other people may not have been offended.

I now have a book that has been personalised with a word that I find very offensive, that is also really misogynistic and an insult to me and to women generally. A mooch around the internet found that Celeb claims he isn't a misogynist, he is a misanthrope as he hates everyone equally. My partner and I would dispute that!

I know that it would be better if I was annoyed but instead, I felt flat and more than a bit gutted, tbh. There's an old phrase about never meeting your heroes. I should have taken note!

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diddl · 07/08/2018 08:01

Idk, if he just wrote the word it would be awful-does it make "sense" at all with the words of yours that he also wrote?

bbcessex · 07/08/2018 08:05

NameChanged 😂😂😂

Deshasafraisy · 07/08/2018 08:05

Oxford definition for whore.

1.2 A person who is regarded as willing to do anything to get a particular thing.
‘he's a shameless publicity whore’
‘you come across as a complete attention whore’

Maybe he meant it in this context

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 08:06

yoda Oh absolutely and you will find I have supported OP on this thread - I would have been really upset.

back to your question...the fb anecdotes that were of similar ilk was writing ''fuck off'' on someone's book who he had heard complaining about the waiting time and ''your brother is an asshole'' on that person's sister's copy.

ImAIdoot · 07/08/2018 08:08

Wonder if he writes gay slurs, or racist slurs??

If it's the person people are thinking of, basically yes things that could be construed as that do appear, he does, and talks about "roast" type shock humour in book signings so probably a lot of people are expecting that when they go and look forward to what mad thing he will write.

Some pictures have been posted in this thread that give examples for that person.

@OP: Have you read his books, particularly the one in question, is there an element of, ahem, referencing his writings?

PerfectlySymmetricalButtocks · 07/08/2018 08:09

It must be Sedaris, the misanthrope quote is his.

YippeeKayakOtherBuckets · 07/08/2018 08:10

While I don’t think it’s funny, it’s obviously a thing he does and I imagine he expects his fans to know that (as any self respecting narcissist would).

I really wouldn’t give it another second’s headspace.

Also I’ve just realised I own one of his books but have never read it. Might give it a go and see what I think.

IKnowItsTIMHONKSTIMHONKS · 07/08/2018 08:11

If it is that David sedaris guy then I think YABU to be shocked by this judging by what other people have said about him on this thread. I don't blame you for wanting to avoid naming him (but I wish you would!)

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 08:12

...but all the other comments made the fans happy even if they were outre. tampons, tits, at least you can walk, abortion advice not withstanding

NotAgainYoda · 07/08/2018 08:13

Mozzie

yes. Sorry I wasn't accusing you. My dander is just up.

Because for every man recently who has been outed as a misogynist, there were signs earlier that people could have picked up on.

IfyouseeRitaMoreno · 07/08/2018 08:19

Wonder if he writes gay slurs, or racist slurs??

Or white men? Is there a nasty slur (equiv to whore, nigger, faggot) that is specifically for white men?

JayneW63 · 07/08/2018 08:20

Context is everything, given the (most probable) author and his work, it sounds about right.
He has a dark and frankly twisted sense of humour, he's covered bowel cancer and his sister's suicide and that's just on Radio 4, in print and in a stage show I can imagine it's much worse.
IMO He thought the OP was a fan, he thought she would get it, it missed the mark.

HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 08:23

diddl no links, word association, absolutely nuff-all.

Desh Ha ha, I'm not remotely an attention-seeker, don't even like my photograph taken and was really nervous when standing in line. I met another celeb a while ago when I was in my activist outfit and was struck completely silent. I couldn't believe that I could be so dippy and awestruck, but I certainly was!

ImAldoot no, neither of us had read any of Celeb's books. We had heard him talk on the radio only and bought the tickets based upon that. I'm not about to read any of his books either, but DP probably will as he's into written humour and has sometimes sent in anecdotes / funny stories etc, to other writers for their use. He even got paid by the BBC once. He's really funny when in full flow and can hold a room of people to slavish attention, which is really odd when he's a very shy person under all other circumstances and was also nervous about meeting Celeb.

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MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 08:24

sorry, bit struck out is my emphasis not theirs. Oh and the brother is an asshole was a dedication for a fan's sister whose brother was with the guy moaning about the queue.
Clearly, the whole signing thing is a roasting. Does not defend it or negate OP's reaction to it but it does mean it's not personal. I am a huge fan of his work but have never seen him live. His hardcore devotee fans would know what to expect but I wouldn't have had a clue and I have most of his books.
I do know now...but suspect if I said, you can write anything David just don't call me a whore, that I would be tempting fate somewhat.

longwayoff · 07/08/2018 08:24

Germaine Greer "women have no idea how much men hate them"
Yoko Ono "woman is the nword of the world"
Both these quotes are around 40 years old. Plus ca change.

WrongOnTheInternet · 07/08/2018 08:26

I'm amazed that you needed to ask. Of course writing a known misogynistic insult as a dedication isn't on, and the way that this is supposed to pass as humour only highlights how misogynistic men are and how we're brainwashed into accepting it.

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 08:33

It would have missed the mark with me too and I would say I was a fan.
I would say he was sometimes sarcastic/caustic (and eccentric with the love of taxidermy) but never ever would I have used the word twisted*...it is observational comedy, self deprecating, witty about dysfunctional family relationships or just things he came across that amused him.

*except for feeding tumour to the turtle.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 07/08/2018 08:41

Crivens! What an idiot.

In the meantime, whilst you decide what to do with this book - could you possibly put a little apostrophe and question mark - and a 'you' afterwards to make it 'who're you?'... that way you could remind yourself that even a 'hero' can be flawed and not at all what you thought they were - or what they fondly imagine themselves to be?

I wouldn't name and shame him here if you don't want to - don't feel pressurised to do that - but I would tweet him and tell him you didn't appreciate it and that the scales have fallen a bit... wound him with your words...

I would feel the same as you do.

Motoko · 07/08/2018 08:41

Well, it's obviously David Sedaris, because if it wasn't, OP would have said it wasn't him. It wouldn't be very nice to allow people to believe it is him if it isn't, and could also cause OP legal problems if he/his team picked up on this.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 07/08/2018 08:42

... and I'd love to disagree with longwayoff's post. But I can't. :(

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 07/08/2018 08:44

Don't be silly, Motoko, unless OP names him then nobody actually knows who she's referring to. They can speculate all they want. I've never even heard of David Sedaris...

lljkk · 07/08/2018 08:45

I can't get past the idea that someone would hero worship David Sedaris. I mean, he's funny & completely honest about a harsh childhood... but a hero, really?

I have a lot of time for someone who (voluntarily) spent hours daily litter picking for weeks at a time.

Anyway, Auction for charity is a great idea, OP. You'll have to name him, then!

peachgreen · 07/08/2018 08:46

I'm sorry you were upset by this OP, but David Sedaris - self-confessed and well-known writer of risqué / offensive book dedications at signings - is not going to sue anyone for sharing the fact that he wrote a risqué / offensive book dedication. All the talk of fingerprints! I really don't think you need to worry.

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 08:53

and this one
criticalflame.org/were-all-so-proud-of-you-signed-david-sedaris/
sorry OP that's not going to make you feel better
In fairness though...as with the nice/nasty slebs you meet threads... there are countless people out there who have nothing but good to say about him. That's why I am obsessing so much. Sorry.