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Never Meet Your Heroes - AIBU or was this rude? **Title edited by MNHQ**

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HedgehogPoo · 06/08/2018 23:14

Am I being a wee bit over-sensitive? Please don't flame me too badly as I'm aware that it's not the worst thing in the world and probably no big deal to some people.

A few nights ago I went to see a certain celebrity at a show. OP and I really liked Celeb and I would listen in whenever I heard his voice on the radio. After the show, my other half and I bought two books and stood in line to ask him to sign them. Celeb seemed to be very approachable and chatted to everyone in the queue, signing their books and personalising them with coloured pens. My book choice was based purely on a word in the title that is relevant to me. The words forms part of my Twitter name and is also relevant as it is also the dressing-up outfit that I use when operating as an environmental activist (believe it or not) in a campaign group that I support. A woman worked her way down the queue and wrote down everyone's choice of dedication on a post-it note so that Celeb would be able to read our dedications easily.

He wrote something nice on DP's book, saying that we were 'Gentle protectors of XXX', who is our beloved cat.

When I handed him my book, he wrinkled his nose and repeated the two words on the post-it. He said that in the past, a woman had given him a signature request with very similar wording. He had asked her what those words meant to her and she said that it was a name that she had given herself, so he had told her that she would forget about the reason for those words at a later date and he wasn't going to write them.

He asked me why I had chosen those words and I explained about the environmental campaign. When he asked which campaign, I explained the serious environmental damage that was involved in this fight to protect an important wildlife area and he said that Trump was trying to do similar in the US, without any regard for the environment. So far, so good! The two words on my dedication request were completely inoffensive and uncontroversial in the extreme and would be viewed as positive words.

However, he said that when the previous woman had given him that similar request, he had decided to write a certain word on her dedication instead. He went on to explain that she had been really angry and walked away, refusing to take the book. I did feel uneasy at this point but didn't want to make anything of it so faked amusement and laughed awkwardly at what he was saying. The CF then said that he was going to write the same on my book in addition to my request and when I looked down, he was writing 'Whore' in stencil style, then filled it in in red pen, right in the centre of the page. I was stunned and felt really awful about it but tried to brave it out (fecking hell, are we socialised to be compliant and not make a fuss or what??!!), laugh it off and appear to be cool with it, despite not feeling like laughing at all.

On the way home my partner and I both felt flat and extremely let down by Celeb. My view is that he took complete advantage of his position and wrote an unpleasant and misogynistic word, purely because he could. Celeb is extremely clever and very obviously witty with much of his humour being taken from observations in life. I have no idea why he would have sharpened his claws on me. I am averagely ancient, do not look, talk or behave like an arse and am also not very confident (apart from when wearing my activist kit!), so I know that I couldn't possibly have come over as negative or unpleasant in any way towards him. Why would I, as I had enjoyed seeing the 'Evening with' and was in a great mood as was everyone else.

My partner is really disappointed in Celeb too and he thought that it was an offensive and completely unnecessary thing to do. Our evening was spoiled and I feel humiliated and thoroughly shat upon. Celeb is also quite lucky as if he had done this to many women I know, they would have chewed him up and spat out the remains. It's possible that I was being unreasonable though, as other people may not have been offended.

I now have a book that has been personalised with a word that I find very offensive, that is also really misogynistic and an insult to me and to women generally. A mooch around the internet found that Celeb claims he isn't a misogynist, he is a misanthrope as he hates everyone equally. My partner and I would dispute that!

I know that it would be better if I was annoyed but instead, I felt flat and more than a bit gutted, tbh. There's an old phrase about never meeting your heroes. I should have taken note!

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SoaringSwallow · 07/08/2018 07:05

That is shocking. Can someone else name and shame on your behalf? Send them the photo? Or just take it to a newspaper. He's already been told it's offensive, like he didn't know. He's a dick and very much deserves this to get out. It's completely unacceptable.

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 07/08/2018 07:13

Just FYI OP, beyond getting picked up by the media, there's nothing legal the celeb could do to you
Well not the person that wrote it, sure. But if that person isn’t the person who everyone is now thinking it must be, they might. The op might not want to confirm but they should probably deny if it happens to not be the guy now being discussed.

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 07:27

www.facebook.com/davidsedaris/posts/stories-from-the-signing-line:/134967566605213/

Am obsessed now. He writes many...erm...memorable inscriptions.

EmmaGrundyForPM · 07/08/2018 07:30

I've heard of DS2 but never read any of his stuff. He sounds vile.

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 07:32

(Take a look at the 91 comments, OP) Brew
I am now seeing him as a Chuck Palahniuk/Scott Capurro hybrid.
and suspect he would have a field day reading this thread out loud on stage

SalemBlackCat · 07/08/2018 07:33

Yes, I agree with TheHulksPurplePanties
Just FYI OP, beyond getting picked up by the media, there's nothing legal the celeb could do to you. It's virtually impossible for public figures to claim libel or slander, and you have the evidence. In the era of #metoo, you shouldn't allow someone to shame you like this.

and

MoonriseKingdom
In fact by not naming the person isn’t Mumsnet is putting itself more at risk because the inevitable speculation means that lots of people have been named who are not responsible.

Please, for goodness sake, JUST NAME HIM!

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 07:36

Emma Your son loves you too Wink

I get it now. DS is just negging for the sake of it and has spoken about trolling at his signings

David, you are 61!!

NotAgainYoda · 07/08/2018 07:36

Mozzie

I can't see that on FB

Any racist or homophobic comments?

More directed to women of men?

EmmaGrundyForPM · 07/08/2018 07:38

Bloody autocorrect!!!

D'S not ds2!

EmmaGrundyForPM · 07/08/2018 07:39

Oh Ffs

DS

NewUserNameTime · 07/08/2018 07:39

How awful:

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 07:39

OP don't name him...as soon as you confirm it, the Fail will print it. So far all they have is DEDICATION TO MY WHORE shocker with Mumsnetters guessing the author but they cannot print the guesses.

NicoAndTheNiners · 07/08/2018 07:45

I’ve never heard of David Sadaris, are his books good?

longwayoff · 07/08/2018 07:45

I know nothing about this obvious twunt but shouldnt humour be funny? Or is this some kind of ham fisted attempt at irony? 2 fails. Must do better or leave the stage.

PerfectlySymmetricalButtocks · 07/08/2018 07:49

Mozzie yuck.

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 07:49

yoda

He is gay himself.
To a girl's boyfriend who wanted her to get him to write ''last night was amazing'' he wrote: ''everyone thinks you're gay! Love David x
(which made the girlfriend's day)
and for one of his gay fans he wrote for their boyfriend (also called David)
''to David, a big gay fag who does gay things''
Neither person was offended as he is clearly joking.

Weepingangels · 07/08/2018 07:51

I was lucky to meet two of my heroes and they were big damn heroes at the time but i did meet my friend's hero and he was a jackass. Really aloof and up his own bum.

Sometimes its not worth meeting as the hero part is usually an illusion and persona.

This man sounds unpleasant and it would put me off too. Such a shame you had that experience. I would email the agent too. In an idea world you would get an apology and book price refunded to you but i suspect not.

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 07:52

Yuck, what?
Yuck at the imagined title the Fail would undoubtedly come up with, yuck at the FB comments or yuck in general?!

DesignStatement · 07/08/2018 07:52

Curious as to why OP won't name the celeb. Not sure what the point of the post is then as all that is happening is that 'innocent' celeb names are being bandied about and the guilty party remains anonymous.
If OP is offended then name the guilty party ~ can't see what there is a big secret about unless it's a fuss about nothing. I mean ~ is this delightful celeb's reputation worth protecting.

NameChangedAgain18 · 07/08/2018 07:54

It's Alan Titchmarsh, isn't it?

HedgehogPoo · 07/08/2018 07:54

Morning, just to say that Mumsnet didn't ask me not to name the individual, it is is entirely my own choice to neither confirm nor deny the name.

Yes, I totally get the reason why Celeb should be named and shamed, but I really don't feel OK about it. In my original email to Mumsnet to ask the mods for their opinions, I did name the Celeb but as I'm now much calmer, decided that discretion (for whatever that's worth) was the better part of valour. If I do name, there's no retreating from that stance.

He definitely can't sue me as he would have to prove that he didn't do this, against 100% evidence that he did. Presumably, his fingerprints will be all over the book too, which hasn't been touched since my DP took a photo of the offending page and it was dumped somewhere in the cupboard of stuff / junk / important thingies and shite to be sorted. He may be able to do other stuff though and I'm not up for that!

I had no idea that Celeb was in any way likely to write such an inspiring and positive word on my book and if I had, there's no way that I would have waited in line. This is actually the first book ever that I've bought that I've had have signed by the author. I used to love listening to him and always turned up the radio if I heard his voice. I just feel really disappointed now, which is a shame and I'm pissed off about that.

I'm going to see Rich Hall soon. Please someone tell me that he's different to Celeb! I won't be buying any book, that's a definite.

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NotAgainYoda · 07/08/2018 07:54

Thanks

Whore isn't funny though, is it?

I think he needs to think about how misogyny comes over to women

I don't think he'd write the N word in a book for a black person
Or a disablist name to a disabled person

NotAgainYoda · 07/08/2018 07:55

It's always disappointing to find out how little some men care about women

PurpleFlower1983 · 07/08/2018 07:58

What an absolutely arsehole.

RedHelenB · 07/08/2018 07:59

Even if you don't blame him I think you should day that it it's the one of the wrong suggestions .