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Never Meet Your Heroes - AIBU or was this rude? **Title edited by MNHQ**

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HedgehogPoo · 06/08/2018 23:14

Am I being a wee bit over-sensitive? Please don't flame me too badly as I'm aware that it's not the worst thing in the world and probably no big deal to some people.

A few nights ago I went to see a certain celebrity at a show. OP and I really liked Celeb and I would listen in whenever I heard his voice on the radio. After the show, my other half and I bought two books and stood in line to ask him to sign them. Celeb seemed to be very approachable and chatted to everyone in the queue, signing their books and personalising them with coloured pens. My book choice was based purely on a word in the title that is relevant to me. The words forms part of my Twitter name and is also relevant as it is also the dressing-up outfit that I use when operating as an environmental activist (believe it or not) in a campaign group that I support. A woman worked her way down the queue and wrote down everyone's choice of dedication on a post-it note so that Celeb would be able to read our dedications easily.

He wrote something nice on DP's book, saying that we were 'Gentle protectors of XXX', who is our beloved cat.

When I handed him my book, he wrinkled his nose and repeated the two words on the post-it. He said that in the past, a woman had given him a signature request with very similar wording. He had asked her what those words meant to her and she said that it was a name that she had given herself, so he had told her that she would forget about the reason for those words at a later date and he wasn't going to write them.

He asked me why I had chosen those words and I explained about the environmental campaign. When he asked which campaign, I explained the serious environmental damage that was involved in this fight to protect an important wildlife area and he said that Trump was trying to do similar in the US, without any regard for the environment. So far, so good! The two words on my dedication request were completely inoffensive and uncontroversial in the extreme and would be viewed as positive words.

However, he said that when the previous woman had given him that similar request, he had decided to write a certain word on her dedication instead. He went on to explain that she had been really angry and walked away, refusing to take the book. I did feel uneasy at this point but didn't want to make anything of it so faked amusement and laughed awkwardly at what he was saying. The CF then said that he was going to write the same on my book in addition to my request and when I looked down, he was writing 'Whore' in stencil style, then filled it in in red pen, right in the centre of the page. I was stunned and felt really awful about it but tried to brave it out (fecking hell, are we socialised to be compliant and not make a fuss or what??!!), laugh it off and appear to be cool with it, despite not feeling like laughing at all.

On the way home my partner and I both felt flat and extremely let down by Celeb. My view is that he took complete advantage of his position and wrote an unpleasant and misogynistic word, purely because he could. Celeb is extremely clever and very obviously witty with much of his humour being taken from observations in life. I have no idea why he would have sharpened his claws on me. I am averagely ancient, do not look, talk or behave like an arse and am also not very confident (apart from when wearing my activist kit!), so I know that I couldn't possibly have come over as negative or unpleasant in any way towards him. Why would I, as I had enjoyed seeing the 'Evening with' and was in a great mood as was everyone else.

My partner is really disappointed in Celeb too and he thought that it was an offensive and completely unnecessary thing to do. Our evening was spoiled and I feel humiliated and thoroughly shat upon. Celeb is also quite lucky as if he had done this to many women I know, they would have chewed him up and spat out the remains. It's possible that I was being unreasonable though, as other people may not have been offended.

I now have a book that has been personalised with a word that I find very offensive, that is also really misogynistic and an insult to me and to women generally. A mooch around the internet found that Celeb claims he isn't a misogynist, he is a misanthrope as he hates everyone equally. My partner and I would dispute that!

I know that it would be better if I was annoyed but instead, I felt flat and more than a bit gutted, tbh. There's an old phrase about never meeting your heroes. I should have taken note!

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MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 02:12

from a 2011 interview...

Each of your book tours has some specialty, once you gave priority to smokers who wanted their books signed because they don’t have as much time left to live; on another tour you collected tips. Is there anything like that for this tour?

On my tour of the United States, I asked people to tell me a joke, any joke. If they thought a joke is too sexist, too racist, I would say, think again. They cannot be too dirty or offensive to me. And I came away with some pretty good jokes. Hopefully, some of them will end up in future stories.

I have not seen him live so guess his persona from what daisychain says, is more risque/edgy compared with simply reading on radio 4 and he does read beautifully.

The thread is as worthy as any other as it gives a heads up to those who have not yet seen him on tour.

MozzieMagnet · 07/08/2018 02:37

A woman asked David Sedaris on a U.S book tour to dedicate a book to her daughter with the words: Explore your possibilities...
He said: ''Well, I'll keep the word explore.''
then went on to write Let's explore diabetes with owls as the inscription.
(later used as a book title)
If that story he told to Jonathan Ross is true then I guess he just likes fucking with people....

Bibesia · 07/08/2018 02:46

if it were me, I'd be finding ways of suing him / his publishers (employers) for libel. It's such blatant misogyny and abuse of power.

There is no way of suing for libel for this. A libel is only actionable if it is published to other people by the person responsible for the libel. Writing a dedication in someone's book isn't publishing anything.

itwaseverthus · 07/08/2018 02:55

Last signing I was at, I overheard him tell the organisers to bring any infirm/elderly/pregnant people to the front of the (very long) queue as it can be hours standing for those not near the front.

The whore is clearly a wind-up thing, I definitely wouldn't take it to heart op. Mind you, I expect he was looking for a reaction and was flummoxed not to get it!

alltoomuchrightnow · 07/08/2018 03:08

Google does come up with David Sedaris saying this...
“I'm not a misogynist. I'm a misanthrope. I hate everyone equally.”

But, I'd honestly never heard of him. He sounds vile though.

GlitteryFluff · 07/08/2018 04:26

I've googled David Sedaris (and also David Sedaris and the word 'whore') and read a few articles and seems it may be a thing.
Being offensive with what he writes in the book signings and ignoring what you've asked him to write, drawing pictures etc. Also one article about him ended with 'Whore.'

He told someone she was lovely and then in her book drew a key and wrote 'Here’s a key to a whorehouse where you’re going to get a much better job.”

So I'm not really sure what I think now. With Frankie Boyle, you know what you're getting so wouldn't go to see him if you didn't want to hear offensive jokes because that's what he does. Close to the mark or way past the mark tbf.

I don't actually know of David Sedaris, haven't heard him in the radio/seen him on telly, so don't know what he is like. But the book signing bit is apparently known for being weird.

But looking at the bigger picture, would he write that in a mans book? Is he getting away with being a dick to his female fans, because 'it's funny', when actually he's just a sexist wanker?

GlitteryFluff · 07/08/2018 04:26

this is where op says it's not him!

TheHulksPurplePanties · 07/08/2018 05:05

Just FYI OP, beyond getting picked up by the media, there's nothing legal the celeb could do to you. It's virtually impossible for public figures to claim libel or slander, and you have the evidence. In the era of #metoo, you shouldn't allow someone to shame you like this.

NotAgainYoda · 07/08/2018 05:43

This just boils down to him thinking he is being funny, whilst actually, in this context, him revealing he's being a (possibly misogynistic) wanker

Comedians should know context is everything in humour - not let their delight at themselves overwhelm their decency towards a person they don't know who is standing in front of them and who has spent their time and money on him.

NotAgainYoda · 07/08/2018 05:48

And as to you title. No - I've never wanted to meet any of my heroes (and I've had the opportunity). There's an outside chance they'll be interested in me but I seriously doubt it. It takes something pretty self-centred to become a star and I doubt that fits with being interested or comfortable with randoms.

Vicky1990 · 07/08/2018 05:52

Now tell us who it was, don't tell us half the story.

daisychain01 · 07/08/2018 06:05

No need to tell us directly OP. It isnt a pointless thread at all. You've given an interesting insight into (whispers) the person who shall remain nameless.

If it is him, what you've told us is completely in character! He probably wanted to offend but not out of malice, he has a persona that he keeps going even when signing his books! He just has a sting in his tail.

His squirrel meets chipmunk book is delightful, very cleverly written and he reads it beautifully. His live act made me die with embarrassment, imagine the scene, I took my DM to the show thinking it was going to be like his book, but it went rather off piste lol. Just as well DM is broad minded but even so ... eeeek

Longtalljosie · 07/08/2018 06:21

You poor thing. I’m surprised Mumsnet said you might be sued - assuming you’re telling the truth (which I believe you are) this could not happen. Justification (the truth) is an absolute defence against libel.

Igorina · 07/08/2018 06:27

Sedaris = Cuntbake.

At least you know who to avoid now.

nellyolsenscurl · 07/08/2018 06:36

Comp letely missing the point and I've never heard of David Sedaris, but I am shocked that grown adults put a request for authors to 'dedicate' to them. If you ask then surely it means nothing?

MoonriseKingdom · 07/08/2018 06:37

In fact by not naming the person isn’t Mumsnet is putting itself more at risk because the inevitable speculation means that lots of people have been named who are not responsible.

MoonriseKingdom · 07/08/2018 06:38

www.shoezle.com/2015/05/26/meeting-my-idol-david-sedaris/

This suggests he doesn’t like people telling him what to write.

MyOtherProfile · 07/08/2018 06:43

Never heard of this bloke but be sound a like one of those kids who thinks it's really funny to go around shouting poo and willy at random times. Maybe he will grow out of it.

I am shocked that grown adults put a request for authors to 'dedicate' to them. If you ask then surely it means nothing?
I'm shocked that you're shocked! Book and CD signings are very commonplace and authors/ musicians will often write something you ask for. It's just a bit of fun for the fan. Obviously the celeb usually doesnt know them well enough to write a genuine from the heart dedication.

We have a few books and CDs where the celeb has written what we asked and it means something to us.

PatheticNurse · 07/08/2018 06:47

Sorry everyone but can someone explain this in simple word's to me as I'm really not understanding it!

OP went to a show and got a book signed. However instead of writing the requested words, the author wrote the word 'whore' .

This word had nothing to do or was related to the original requested dedication.

twoheaped · 07/08/2018 06:51

Never heard of him.
He sounds like he has a rather niche sense of humour.

BoyInTheOven · 07/08/2018 06:52

twitter.com/thillyboo/status/994746318554779648?s=12

Doesn't seem to be an isolated thing. Don't lose any sleep over it, he sounds like a dick!

ShumpaLumpa · 07/08/2018 06:53

But he will no doubt ponder on what made him act such an idiot and we shall all be laughing

I love him 😍 sorry op can’t love him any less (if it’s him)

I have family that live near him he is well known for being that wonderful American guy in the area

You sound like a groupie.

NotAgainYoda · 07/08/2018 06:58

Wonder if he writes gay slurs, or racist slurs??

GenericHamster · 07/08/2018 07:04

I would write to his publisher and ask for a refund. Being serious. I wouldn't want to keep a copy of that.