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AIBU to not want to have homeless people with complex needs placed in the house next door to me?

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StressedandNameChanged · 05/08/2018 23:57

I live in a 2 storey terraced house in a small residential street in an area with lots of rows of similar small terraced houses. It’s not the smartest area of town and hasn’t had the best reputation, but it was affordable when we moved here over 15 years ago, and we have been happy here. I live with my dh, and my youngest ds 12.

The end terrace house next door to me was bought by a private investment company earlier this year, and I recently found out that this was part of an organisation which combines property investment with supported housing. Following a lot of enquiries on my part, I found out that they planned to use the house as a house share for 5 vulnerable adults with complex needs and a history of homelessness. Complex needs means at least 2 of the following issues: substance misuse; history of offending; history of anti-social behaviour; mental health problems.

Communications with the organisations who will be managing the property have been problematic. They were initially very evasive, but once I had more info, the housing manager agreed to come to a residents’ association meeting to discuss the plans for the property. It didn’t go very well. On the agenda at the same meeting were problems with an existing supported housing project in the neighbourhood, where due to staffing issues and some challenging clients, the police are being called out every night.

The housing manager later offered to come and speak with dh and myself but as we were away at the time, we said we would arrange a date when we got back. Unfortunately, while we were away a neighbour put up some very offensive signs around the property, including some in my garden and went to the local paper. (This may be the same neighbour who has also been cutting cctv cables at the property). Since we got back we have tried to get in touch but no response. There is a meeting set up with the neighbourhood policing team and others, but the housing managers are not available to attend that either.

Meanwhile I have heard from elsewhere that at least one tenant would be moving into the property in 2 weeks’ time. I think the company running the property are trying to get it as a done deal with people living there before talking to anyone.

I know people can change and this is hopefully a good opportunity for the people who will be placed next door, but I also know there is no magic wand for people who have struggled with multiple serious issues for several years, and there will be relapses. I am worried about the location and the suitability of the property for this use. Most people who have suffered high levels of trauma and are trying to move away from a chaotic lifestyle want their own place where they can control their surroundings, not a shared house. I am worried about 5 vulnerable adults being housed together in a small Victorian terraced house with poor sound proofing. Many houses around here are used for student housing and they live 5 to a house, but they are groups of friends who choose to live together, and they can usually escape to their parents’ homes for a break. I know from experience the level of disruption just one tenant in a shared house can cause if they kick off, mainly to the other tenants but also to the neighbours. I am worried about some of the visitors they will attract. I am worried about the possible high turnover of tenants. I am worried about the potential disturbance for ourselves and other neighbours. I know what the streets around other hostels are like, and I will not feel safe if my street becomes like that. I am worried about the failure of the people managing the property to communicate, which doesn’t bode well if problems do occur. I am stressed out and losing sleep worrying about it.

Yes, I know I am being the very definition of a NIMBY, but I am amazed that this sort of facility can be placed in a residential street without any consultation with neighbours, the local authorities, the police or any existing services in the area.

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zsazsajuju · 25/09/2018 20:00

This is awful op. My gran waged a campaign to have the people she saw as trouble makers removed from her area. She started a neighborhood watch and made their lives very difficult (if they wanted to sell drugs etc) and campaigned for local amenities like a playpark. I was really worried for her but she managed to get the community on board and improve the area. All the types on this thread with ghastly things to say to you would never live in that sort of area in a million years. It’s a luxury to be able to sneer at others who don’t want people with “complex” needs next door.

I hope things get better- I think keep doing what you’re doing and hopefully it will have to go through planning and you will get some respite.

Itchytights · 25/09/2018 20:15

We moved away from this.

Initially, it was a large home for vulnerable adults with SEN.

They were a wonderful group of people and I grew up to know them well; they were such lovely members of our community and a pleasure to live next to.

Property developers then bought the land/ home and those people got shipped out and housed elsewhere. The land was bulldozed over, flats were built and “social homes” were then occupied.
The occupants were those that you have described.

We had to move away - it was awful.

Do what’s right for you. Regardless what you may get called on here; these people on this thread aren’t you and aren’t living next to this. It can be incredibly stressful.

Ohluckyme · 25/09/2018 20:19

I’ve lived near a house like this and it was horrendous. Police called out every week (at least). Obvious drug dealing, fights in the street, cars smashed up. I feel for you OP.

InertPotato · 25/09/2018 20:28

@florenceheadache I do own my house. The company accused me of being only worried about the value of my house when I expressed my concerns before anyone moved in.

You'd be right to worry about the value of your house.

Vinylsamso · 25/09/2018 20:32

I work for a private emergency housing scheme. The Council are putting more and more pressure on us to not intervene in the customers lives and to just let them do as they please. We charge nightly rates and have always been quite actively involved in over seeing things but we are now constantly pulled up over “human right” type issues. It’s unsustainable. Without lots of rules and a zero tolerance policy to anti sociable behaviour the whole houses descend to chaos. But the Government/ council says that’s the correct way now 🤷‍♀️

BabySharkDooDooDooDoo · 25/09/2018 20:35

They deserve somewhere to live and be supported and if handled correctly the situation could be totally manageable

Ohluckyme · 25/09/2018 20:38

@BabySharkDooDooDooDoo why don’t you invite them all to live next door to you then?

BabySharkDooDooDooDoo · 25/09/2018 20:47

ohluckyme i spent a year living in supported homeless accomadation when i was 17 and in 6th year at school and it was in a residential street and 200 metres away from my high school. There wasnt any bother from the people living alongside me to the street's residents nor from them to us. So like i said in my post things handled correctly and with care and bit of give and take it can be done

Libertarian · 25/09/2018 20:51

If it was up to me purpose built barracks would be knocked up for them on the outskirts of town. That view won't make me popular with the do gooders on here.

Threadastaire · 25/09/2018 20:55

Have you tried contacting adult social care or local authority housing dept to see if they have any stake in this scheme? Long shot, but I've worked for organisations where we've managed to get contracts pulled which has resulted in a change of management company. Some private providers are good, some are awful. Local authorities have to go with whoever offers best value, sometimes meaning they're paying a company they just know are pushing an unrealistic price and have a bad rep, but can't do anything about it without evidence that the terms of the contract aren't being met. From what you've described I bet the company managing this place are getting a fortune (places that will take someone with arson on their record charge a sig premium, because it causes all sorts of issues re insurance as well as costs around supervision) Can't help but wonder if the people paying the bill (assuming it's not just housing benefit funded) for the people living there are happy with the way it's being managed, and whether there's any scope to challenge from there.

Ohluckyme · 25/09/2018 20:58

BabySharkDooDooDooDoo my Friend was in a similar situation and she says now that they were an absolute nightmare. I think perhaps you were an exception to the rule.

BabySharkDooDooDooDoo · 25/09/2018 20:58

This is a fantastic thing that should be done more. libertarian it is something along the lines of purpose built like you mentioned and isnt slap bang in the city centre social-bite.co.uk/the-social-bite-village/

Vinylsamso · 25/09/2018 20:59

It could work if “handled correctly” but you’re not allowed to “handle correctly” these days.
I’ll say it again, it’s unsustainable, the crisis worsens. You need to move because if it’s not managed well now it will not get better. Would I live next door to one of our homes the way we’ve been able to run them over last 10 years - yes. Would I live next door to one the way we are forced to operate now - no fucking way. Gets worse and worse every single day.

BabySharkDooDooDooDoo · 25/09/2018 21:00

My best friend (met her in said accommadation) also speaks fondly of our time there. Yes we had hard times in the but had some amazing times too and i wouldnt be where i am now had i not been in there

BabySharkDooDooDooDoo · 25/09/2018 21:02

I do appreciate though there is accommadation that isnt up to scratch and poorly run which helps nobody out either service user, staff member or member of the public

Libertarian · 25/09/2018 21:05

@BabySharkDooDooDooDoo - I was thinking of something like that. Maybe with a daily shuttle bus for any appointments they have in town.

A lot of the SJWs on here think that people should put up with it and not complain while their neighbor hood descends into chaos.

Libertarian · 25/09/2018 21:12

Respect to your gran @szaz. This really nails it for me:

All the types on this thread with ghastly things to say to you would never live in that sort of area in a million years. It’s a luxury to be able to sneer at others who don’t want people with “complex” needs next door.

Plenty of affluent champagne socialists ready to tell the less well off that they should be pleased to have Louts like that dumped in their communities. The majority of those that pasted the OP over this are oddly silent now shes updated to say the situation is as shit as she predicted.

Threadastaire · 25/09/2018 21:20

@libertarian why do you assume that everyone in the thread is a champagne socialist?

Libertarian · 25/09/2018 21:23

@Threadastaire - not everyone. But in my experience those that tell folk they should accept this kind of housing in their neighbourhoods or extol upon its virtues tend to live in leafy, affluent areas which are never going to see "complex" or "vulnerable" tenants.

Threadastaire · 25/09/2018 21:25

Ah ok. So it was inverted snobbery based on assumptions then....

Libertarian · 25/09/2018 21:29

@Threadastaire - Lets be honest, you'd have to be a complete moron to support this kind of housing if you thought it was likely to be put in your area. Do you have an actual argument or?

BlancheM · 25/09/2018 21:39

Libertarian I think you'd be surprised about some of the neighbourhoods this happens in.

ItLooksABitOff · 25/09/2018 22:48

I'm really sorry this is happening OP. Document, document, document.

StressedandNameChanged · 25/09/2018 22:54

@vinylsamso combination of funding cuts and short term contracts being given to the lowest bidder.

@Threadastaire the company who run next door decided to expand into this county, and started acquiring properties before they even had any contracts here. So far, too my knowledge they only have the one contract to house this cohort for a project that lasts for the next 2-3 years. This contract is not with the local authority: it's with one of the partners of a countywide Social Impact Bond (SIB) initiative, so although all the funding is coming from public sources, it is going through private companies, so won't be able to do an FOI. I don't think the people who have contracted with them are particularly happy. This particular project is for people for whom existing accommodation based provision has failed, perhaps because the clients have failed to abide by the rules, or there is another reason, that it is not suitable (e.g. offending history of arson or sexual offences). So they were always going to be challenging to place. However as a SIB, it is payment by results. This is the first property this company has up and running in the county and it is not going well. It's a small sector locally, so word will spread.

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Sparrowlegs248 · 25/09/2018 23:00

Yanbu OP. I am a housing officer dealing daily with homeless people with complex needs, and no I wouldn't want to live next to one of the houses they live in.

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