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AIBU to not want to have homeless people with complex needs placed in the house next door to me?

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StressedandNameChanged · 05/08/2018 23:57

I live in a 2 storey terraced house in a small residential street in an area with lots of rows of similar small terraced houses. It’s not the smartest area of town and hasn’t had the best reputation, but it was affordable when we moved here over 15 years ago, and we have been happy here. I live with my dh, and my youngest ds 12.

The end terrace house next door to me was bought by a private investment company earlier this year, and I recently found out that this was part of an organisation which combines property investment with supported housing. Following a lot of enquiries on my part, I found out that they planned to use the house as a house share for 5 vulnerable adults with complex needs and a history of homelessness. Complex needs means at least 2 of the following issues: substance misuse; history of offending; history of anti-social behaviour; mental health problems.

Communications with the organisations who will be managing the property have been problematic. They were initially very evasive, but once I had more info, the housing manager agreed to come to a residents’ association meeting to discuss the plans for the property. It didn’t go very well. On the agenda at the same meeting were problems with an existing supported housing project in the neighbourhood, where due to staffing issues and some challenging clients, the police are being called out every night.

The housing manager later offered to come and speak with dh and myself but as we were away at the time, we said we would arrange a date when we got back. Unfortunately, while we were away a neighbour put up some very offensive signs around the property, including some in my garden and went to the local paper. (This may be the same neighbour who has also been cutting cctv cables at the property). Since we got back we have tried to get in touch but no response. There is a meeting set up with the neighbourhood policing team and others, but the housing managers are not available to attend that either.

Meanwhile I have heard from elsewhere that at least one tenant would be moving into the property in 2 weeks’ time. I think the company running the property are trying to get it as a done deal with people living there before talking to anyone.

I know people can change and this is hopefully a good opportunity for the people who will be placed next door, but I also know there is no magic wand for people who have struggled with multiple serious issues for several years, and there will be relapses. I am worried about the location and the suitability of the property for this use. Most people who have suffered high levels of trauma and are trying to move away from a chaotic lifestyle want their own place where they can control their surroundings, not a shared house. I am worried about 5 vulnerable adults being housed together in a small Victorian terraced house with poor sound proofing. Many houses around here are used for student housing and they live 5 to a house, but they are groups of friends who choose to live together, and they can usually escape to their parents’ homes for a break. I know from experience the level of disruption just one tenant in a shared house can cause if they kick off, mainly to the other tenants but also to the neighbours. I am worried about some of the visitors they will attract. I am worried about the possible high turnover of tenants. I am worried about the potential disturbance for ourselves and other neighbours. I know what the streets around other hostels are like, and I will not feel safe if my street becomes like that. I am worried about the failure of the people managing the property to communicate, which doesn’t bode well if problems do occur. I am stressed out and losing sleep worrying about it.

Yes, I know I am being the very definition of a NIMBY, but I am amazed that this sort of facility can be placed in a residential street without any consultation with neighbours, the local authorities, the police or any existing services in the area.

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BifsWif · 07/08/2018 13:40

Hungry, that’s incorrect.

They will have around one visit a week usually. If they need to be evicted, shared housing is a real tenancy and eviction isn’t a quick process. It would potentially need to be a section 21, court and bailiffs. It is not a quick process at all.

Fightthebear · 07/08/2018 13:42

To echo some pp I can see why you might be concerned but I’d keep an open mind.

The flat across the hall from DH’s flat was bought to house ex offenders on release from prison. Only one has been problematic (he was dealing and was evicted very quickly by the HA). The rest have not caused any issues.

DianaPrincessOfThemyscira · 07/08/2018 14:03

@HopefullyAnonymous but you don’t mention if you get any genuine complaints? Or if you’d be completely comfortable with this being your house?

HopefullyAnonymous · 07/08/2018 14:15

Of course there are genuine complaints; as I said there can be a lot of undesirable behaviour associated with homelessness, particularly amongst those forced to literally live on the streets. The answer being, surely, to support them to live somewhere where they can address their issues and ultimately get their lives back on track?

Believe me, I’m not deluded and think that it’s an easy fix. Services are lacking and some people relapse many, many times before they ever see an improvement, if there’s an improvement at all. But they deserve a chance to be better and live better.

HopefullyAnonymous · 07/08/2018 14:17

Oh and there is a bail hostel at the end of my street. It’s extremely rare that we have any issues (due to the nature of my work it would be me responding if anything kicked off).

IrmaFayLear · 07/08/2018 14:31

I wonder if the OP had posted that she was considering buying a house next to a property used for this purpose, what the answers would be.

I'm sure that nearly every single one of us, hand on heart, would not choose to live there.

BifsWif · 07/08/2018 14:34

They absolutely deserve the chance to change, but it is naive to think that this won’t have an impact on the OP in some form. I work for a HA and this is exactly what I deal with day in, day out.

She is not wrong to be concerned about this.

MistressDeeCee · 07/08/2018 14:38

I don't blame you OP. Because they won't be fully supported, if any hassle goes on as neighbours you will be expected to put up and shut up.

I worked in housing years ago, when neighbours phoned to complain re situations similar to this, most colleagues would just roll their eyes. Theyre going home at 5pm why should hey care? After all...NIMBY.

The only time management really got off their arse was when someone got an MPs enquiry going so MP would want to know about case and what was being done about matter. MPs aren't ignored. Just saying.

Stirner · 07/08/2018 14:41

@MistressDeeCee - exactly but bolinger Bolshevics love telling the less well off what they should have to put up with.

BifsWif · 07/08/2018 14:53

Sadly agree Mistress. More than one neighbour moved away from some of our community properties.

Neighbours can complain to the HA, but will be expected to call the police if necessary to deal
with ASB.

RolyRocks · 07/08/2018 15:23

No OP does. I think we understand that you think it’s fine and I don’t.

What’s this we business???? And don’t put words in my mouth just because you want to find offence as to what I am or am not fine with.

I think that it is not fine to not acknowledge all posts and to ignore the full accurate situation, just to fit your own narrative on a particular thread.

You have said that only stating ‘complex needs’ is very damaging and I completely agree with you but you didn’t acknowledge that that point was fully clarified very early on in this long thread, until I pointed that out to you.

If you had said something along the lines of OP, I understand that the HA specifically identifies what constitutes complex needs in their criteria but by not acknowledging this in your OP from the start, you have offended me. then, I wouldn’t have posted what I did but you didn’t and it did just read like a classic case of not RTFT to be fair.

PigletJohn · 07/08/2018 15:25

stirner

And no doubt top-hatted tories do the same. They still wear spats, don't they, in your world?

Stirner · 07/08/2018 15:31

@PigletJohn. I'm not a Tory , ta.

zzzzz · 07/08/2018 15:37

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PigletJohn · 07/08/2018 15:40

We can widen the world of caricature if you want. Sandal-wearing lentil-weavers? Tree-hugging environmentalists? Pinko Liberals?

Why should members of a Russian group that was mostly exterminated nearly a hundred years ago get all the billing?

RolyRocks · 07/08/2018 16:39

I actually think you don’t understand my position zzzzz as I certainly don’t understand yours and am beginning to think we are at crossed wires here because I have not minimised or dismissed your concerns as I’m not actually 100% sure what they are anymore.

Can you clarify that you are specifically upset at the OP for using the term ‘complex needs’ in the OP without stating what was meant under that term, in that particular opening post and that it is not good enough that she clarified it on her third post as by then, the damage was done in your eyes?

If so, then I have misunderstood your posts right from the beginning and I apologise. I initially thought that you had not read her updates or other posts relating to those updates and was trying to highlight that in this situation, the OP is only concerned about the complex needs combination described by the HA specifically, which isn’t related to your situation.

zzzzz · 07/08/2018 17:01

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RolyRocks · 07/08/2018 19:01

Ah. You’re one of those posters. Got it. Grin

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Stirner · 07/08/2018 19:42

ODFOD yes she is

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 07/08/2018 19:53

Yanbu

I work in this area

I really care for the people I work with but I wouldn’t want to live next door to any of them

Sadly many give it all that talk how they want to live in the community but it means something quite different to them than it does to most people

Those with anti social personalities are very difficult to manage and often attract like minded people or those who are vulnerable

But there are those that are working really hard, engaging with the services and managing life fairly well and they shall be put if possible with those with similar needs

Let’s face it these houses/hostels etc are never in the nicer parts of town of course everyone has the right to a home and to feel comfortable and safe but NIMBY is perfectly understandable

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/08/2018 21:00

There’s plenty of money in it if you’re a large corporate

There certainly is Hmm My disabled son once had a "supported living" flat in just such a block; he gets housing benefit and the landlords were allowed to charge an almost insane level of rent on the basis they were "doing more than they would for an average tenant" - though in reality they couldn't even be contacted

I thoroughly agree with PPs who've said much will depend on how well OP's neighbours are supported and whether any "house rules" are applied. In my DS's case this sadly didn't happen and the flats, which also housed a number of substance abusers, became a very dangerous place to live ... but hopefully you'll have a much better experience

HelenaDove · 08/08/2018 00:48

Puzzled that doesnt surprise me at all Ive read of several experiences like that in a fb group i belong to.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 08/08/2018 19:16

With your interest in issues around housing I'd have been surprised if you hadn't, Helena Smile Though not easy to shock I was dumbfounded when I learned what DS's landlords were charging for a measly 1 bed flat

Happily, in the end I was lucky enough to be able to use some invested money to buy a little place and rent it to him myself. He gets a safe and secure home, I get a small return on the investment and the council save nearly 60% in the housing benefit they were paying ... something of a win win all round

TheLette · 08/08/2018 19:48

This sounds very similar to what happened to me. The next door house (terraced with very poor sound insulation) converted into a house for men with mental health issues. We were initially supportive and open minded but unfortunately we had very serious issues quite quickly including overt male prostitution, a very loud and distressing attack on the street between residents involving a hammer, drug taking, extreme flytipping, a lot of noise all throughout the night and quite a few incidents of nudity. We complained to the police, councils (there were 2 involved as the council responsible for the residents was a different council to the one we live in), Care Quality Commission and our local councillors and eventually the residents were relocated. Unfortunately we couldn't live with this situation - we have a baby and I was terrified the residents would attack her when I walked past the house. The sad thing was they were not getting anywhere near the right level of care and that was our biggest issue. Had they been appropriately supported and had there been a few improvements to the property such as soundproofing, it's possible they could have lived there without disrupting the entire street.

If problems arise, keep a very detailed log and involve police and local councillors to complain. However until you actually have problems, I wouldn't worry. It might be fine.