To be unsurprised that Corbyn is still being called anti-semitic?

[crunchymint]

Corbyn has been quite happy over the years to work with those who are clearly anti-Semitic. And he continues to do so. Whilst at the same time saying that he condemns all forms of racism, recently changed to say he condemns anti semitism. Does he not realise yet that people judge him by his actions, not his broad statements which are pretty meaningless? And until he clearly shows in his actions that he condemns anti semitism, these allegations will continue?

Crunchymint
Well I suggest you tell my amazing MIL, living off her NHS pension, that UNISON, had nowt to do with it. She was part time, banned from having a NHS pension, it was her union who fought all the way to Europe to get her it.
Also my wife gets the same holiday rights, same pay and pension rights as a part time mum as her fellow full time colleagues, thanks to the same ruling.
My grand dad spent the whole of the 1920 and 30's fighting in unions and skilled workers co operatives to get paid holiday rights. Never seen the Tories ever just giving my family new working rights.

Not read the entire thread but no, he isn't anti-Semitic.

He is against the current Israel political policies and against what Israel is doing and subjecting the Palestine people on a daily basis due to the fact the Palestinians practice a different religion and they want their land (and are obtaining it illegally but no one bats an eye lid).

But for some reason anyone protesting about Israel is called anti-Semitic but you don't get called anti-christian for calling out Trump or American political decisions.

As someone who is descended from Jews fleeing Russia around 1890 (thanks to a cousins family tree searching) I'm pretty sure my ancestors would be bloody shocked and disgusted at what Israel is doing.

I'm disgusted at the Israeli political stance and what they are doing.

Do my views on the ruling Israeli political party make me anti-Semitic OP?

Yes the unions have successfully fought for rights that have helped many women. Did you miss where I said I support unions and have been very active in trade unions? But lets not pretend that unions have always supported women's rights. You seem incapable of nuance. Either unions are good or bad for women. Instead of the reality that they have benefited many women workers and at other times worked against the rights of women.

Badcat Your views make you naive. Read the bloody thread.

If Corbyn becomes Prime Minister I imagine there will be an exodus of British Jews, just as there was an exodus of German Jews when Hitler came to power. Jews have been in this country for hundreds of years so it would be terrible if they feel forced to leave. They have as much right to be here as anyone else.

I think Keir Starmer would be a good leader at this point in time

A solid background in law and understanding the complexities of negotiations

Or Yvette Cooper

Chucka Umunna is too Blair like and at times comes across as arrogant and patronising. Emily Thornberry well if you want to ostracize the white van workers then she is the one to lead the party. And Angela Rayner fuck no with her rehearsed lines and even those she struggles with. The only reason she is in the shadow cabinet is becuase Corbyn had so little choice

At the moment unfortunately if Corbyn stood down he would be replaced by someone within the Momentum circle but I don’t think Lansman and Milne would be stupid enough to put McDonnell in power they know he isn’t likeable

At the moment looks as if we shall have the Tories in power for a long time

SamG76
In fear of another deletion, the same lawyer, kindly defended the child of a close friend of his, who was involved in the trial of the gang rape of my cousin, they got off.
After he kindly described by sweet 18 year cousin, a virgin at the time, as a council estate slapper, who was know to be a slt.
Great man.
By the way he doesn't do defence work, only for people he knows or respects.
But maybe the fact it was me, who at 21 had to deal with her suicide, thanks to never recovering from the shame, I might not have the best memories of him, and sadly SIL family don't do anything to improve my impressions.
I am off don't need another deletion, and bringing back sht memories

Do my views on the ruling Israeli political party make me anti-Semitic OP?

Nope

Do my views on the ruling Israeli political party make me anti-Semitic OP?

Agreed not anti-semitic. Crass and ill-informed, though. How do you know what your ancestors would have thought in the 1890s? Maybe if Israel had existed more of them would have escaped.

And I note there is no suggestion of what the Israelis should do, in what is clearly a difficult situation.

@samG76, no not a sociology student, a professor in a completely unrelated subject. You need to study some history though if you think there is no intertwining of Communism and Jewish people. Maybe start with Michael Rosen's book on his background - but that is just the tip of an iceberg. My family were the Anarchist type of Jews, also a brilliant strand of Jewish thought. Why do you have a problem with that - and why are you patronising?

My children have Jewish heritage going back several generations. I would be genuinely concerned if this current communist Labour became a government.

Lostincake. Jews are as welcome here as they have always been and they will continue to be welcomed as they have been for hundreds of years, Corbyn or not. I doubt they would have to fight in the street as was necessary against the Daily Mail supported Moseley fascists in the 1930s.

The communist Labour Party members locally are very vocal on social media about their dislike of Jews along with incitement to revolution. They plan to encourage the people on the streets, and civil unrest over Brexit in the spring, they appear very excited.

Wizard - I'm aware of course that many Communists were from a Jewish background, but they didn't mix the two - they practised communism and renounced Judaism, often persecuting their former coreligionists. I doubt if Jewish members of the poliburo went back to their families for Seder night, for example. So while, eg, Lazar Kaganovich was Jewish (and very well portrayed in Death of Stalin, incidentally), I don't think he would have been considered a Jewish thinker or a member of the community. And he was responsible for slaughtering huge numbers of people - that's what I have a problem with. Is this unreasonable?

PS - I'm sure Kaganovich would have been a Corbyn fan, had he been living in contemporary Britain.....

user1471450935

While he doesn't sound like the most pleasant individual what does any of that have to do with him being Jewish?

those intelligent enough to go to university understand that

That’s so funny. Those who have lived through many many election promises can smell a climb down when they hear it.

You will too Bombadier as you live through more elections.

MrsAiden

Yvette cooper???

And can we address the real labour supporters bollocks! Those supporting Corbyn are not labour supporters you are momentum idiots. Just own that fact. You are not and never were labour.

Loving Ghosto lecturing us all on labour being out in the cold for decades. Think she may have her/his head elsewhere. It certainly isn’t in reality

I suspect that those who have lived through the eighties have a better understanding of why Corbyn is a disaster. Labour had to learn then the difficult lesson that the party had to be electable. Others now are going to have to learn this all over again.

Sorry crunchy, I am a member of the RMT and DW member of Unison, both have very active women's sections. I am sure when my dad was in the close shop of UCATT, in the 1950-70's unions where male dominated and bad for women, probably the same for my grandfather's generation. So yes your right, but I sorry the modern day unions fight hard for all rights.

The big problem I see is if you and others won't vote Labour, then people will be left with years of Tory rule. So education, health and social care all get squeezed. The vulnerable get worst off and food banks grow.
I don't believe Labour are worse then Tories or the rest of the population on anti semitics, so I decide to vote Labour last time, because they aligned with 73% of my views, like the Greens, but had more chance of winning.

Strictly speaking, my DW and should be prime Tory fodder, ex council estaters, who now own our house, and often through PAYE pay higher rate tax, in certain months. But neither of us can stand the way the Tories treat our roots.

So in balance I support Corbyn and vote for Labour to make my country better for the poorest and weakest. The Jewish issue is too small an issue for me to worry about. Brexit deadlock, unfunding of schools, care homes will effect all of us, so I vote for the party that best fits my believes.

If that makes me a Corbyn love child, so be it, if you all think I am anti Semetic, I will live with that. I don't know you, you don't know me. I am happy to vote and campaign to improve this country. I regularly lose, but I don't go around attacking the Tories for been Racist, so why do you and Tories go around attacking us?

Genuine question, if he will never run Britain, and my family will still be worse off, what harm do we do to you all, it's like you have something to lose.

That exactly crunchy and the sad thing is those supporting Corbyn now are either the kids who don’t remember and so are swept along and the old militant tendancy who nearly destroyed us before Kinnock finally managed to kick them out and they are now in their 50s and 60s and see their chance to strangle labour again.

The first catagory sounds like some posters on here who you can forgive as they will get sense in time but the older lot!! Wilfully destroying a party for the working class and allowing the Tories to reign supreme just like Thatcher did.

They are unforgivable in my book.

user

Barbera castle would have fought and fought the disgraceful ‘labour’ policy of self ID.

If you really are in an active women’s ‘section’ of the Labour Party shame on you shame on you for this disgraceful policy.

Don’t you dare lecture other women.

The Jewish issue is too small an issue for me to worry about

yep, that's it. Collateral damage. Who gives a stuff?

until they come for you...

Anyone see this interesting article about Momentum in Barnet

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-party-antisemitism-momentum-barnet-jews-jeremy-corbyn-israel-a8473501.html

I listened to a very interesting interview about this with Margaret Hodge (Woman's Hour) this morning. She convinced me tbh. There are elements (quite influential ones) in the Jewish community that like to cry "anti-semitism" whenever Israel is criticised but no-one could accuse her of being one of them (there are also anti-semites who like to give their anti-semitism a cloak of respectability by attacking Israel, which is what makes the issue so fraught). Ultimately, one lesson I took from the holocaust is it's not a moral defense not to practise anti-semitism but tolerate, ignore and facilitate it in others.

user I am on JSA. I am someone who is negatively affected by Tory policies, and I want a Labour government in power. Corbyn is unelectable, and does not even stick to decent principles - the worst of both worlds. I want a Labour government who will be elected and improve things for the poorest and most oppressed. I am not a fantasist, I know I will not agree with everything a Labour government does, but I also know it will be better than we have now. The NHS was better under Blair. Sure Start did make a difference. Services were better funded.

Seasawride Agree I can forgive younger people who have not learned this lesson yet. But otherwise if you think being elected does not matter, or you are a fantasist who thinks the working class are going to revolt, you are simply ensuring the Tories have free reign to do what they want.