Sensitive ....... FGM

[Mamamiaherewegoagainmymy]

Me and OH were talking last night. He was saying that there's a 'big thing' made about FGM, YET hardly anything about MGM eg surely when baby boys are curcumsized, nothing much ( if anything ) is said. Thoughts?

You both sound thick to be honest. Educate yourselves

FGM is far worse, although both are abhorrent. In some cultures, the rabbi actually puts the baby boy's penis in his mouth to stop the bleeding. This has resulted in babies catching herpes and in some cases dying. IMO, any parent that allows a grown man to put an infant's penis into his mouth should be sent to prison for facilitating paedophilia, and forcibly sterilised.

Male circumcisions are done without anaesthetic in most circs, ( excluding medical advice) on baby boys and their cries and pain are horrific.

both are barbaric in principal but in practise FGM is far far more damaging long term

dadshere

Totally agree. Utterly utterly vile

Your husband's a cunt - circumcision is nowhere near mutilation.

And of course someone called "dadshere" makes it all about the poor males.

It’s estimated that 10% of females undergoing type 3 FGM results in death. Estimated because official records are obviously not kept in some communities.

Had ex who was circumcised. He didn't especially like the look of it (done when a child, bit of a botched job in his opinion) but had no recollection of it and had no impact on his sex life or anything else whatsoever. So no. Not the same.

Mutilating the genitalia for non-medical reasons of a child who cannot give their consent is barbaric and indefensible.

Full stop. End of.

If your OH is real, the pair of you are idiots - him for being an obvious sexist with no sense of perspective, and you for thinking posting something this daft and ending with “Thoughts?”, as if his point of view merits discussion, is in any way reasonable.

exactly

In my line of work I've had a few families try and take their daughters to Africa for the procedure in the last few weeks. Police are involved. The poor girls don't have a clue, they think they're going to see family

I think both are awful and need to be banned.

HolyPeter

That’s unfair. On principal we should all abhore anyone mutilating a child for no medical reason without anaesthetic.

Of course FGM Is in outcomes far far worse and of course thst needs highlighting and campaigning but divide is for others to conquer.

All mutilstion of children is utterly vile.

TheSassy

It’s a very interesting point you make so why is FGM carried out on girls that can remember the trauma rather than babies who can’t? ( still horrific)

Is there a reason for this? More a punishment for being a girl?

Does anyone know the origins?

Explain to your DH just what is involved in female genital mutilation. The clue is in the word "mutilation."

Dunno, maybe because - aside from all the points made above about the life changing, sometimes life ending consequences of FGM - FGM is about men controlling and abusing women, and the circumcision of men is not.

It's not a legitimate comparison, it's a "what about the men" derail.

If he was pontificating about the practice of castrating young choir boys in the Vatican, that would be much more of an equivalent practice in terms of barbarity and life altering consequences. Oh, except that was outlawed over a century ago and does not happen anymore. There are no castrati alive anymore, whereas there are 200million odd women and girls living with the consequences of FGM.

Structural inequality is funny like that.

ohdeardeardesr

I know this sounds awful but would you say these girls were from loving homes?? You know what I mean by that as In they think it’s best for their girls?? What is the mindset??

@Seasaride

I hope you understand where I’m coming from with this anecdote as it absolutely isn’t intended to make it “all about the men”.

But having had discussions with ex-H about the practice, he said much the same. He was circumcised for medical reasons at an age where he could remember the pain and stress and he said how utterly appalling it is that it’s a common practise on females, at least men are “lucky” enough not to remember and be affected long term oh the whole

Sorry Seasawride

"TheSassyAssassin Mon 30-Jul-18 19:54:56
Had ex who was circumcised. He didn't especially like the look of it (done when a child, bit of a botched job in his opinion) but had no recollection of it and had no impact on his sex life or anything else whatsoever. So no. Not the same."

Yes, I had a bf like this when I was at Uni (wondering if it's the same guy, haha) childhood circumcision for medical reasons. It did look a bit...butchered...worked fine. We had a lot of fun together.

No big deal.

In some cultures, the rabbi actually puts the baby boy's penis in his mouth to stop the bleeding.

I'm sorry, but this is nothing but anti-Semitic nonsense.

Both are awful. I have seen baby boys penises after they have been circumcised at home, and often they are red, inflamed and weeping. However, I have also cared for women in labour, who as well as having the pain of labour also have to have their FGM reversed so their baby can be born (women will be offered the procedure antenatally but most will decline, preferring to have it done in labour). I have heard women effected talk passionately and eloquently about the consequences of FGM on them, their sense of self and their sexuality.

Your husband hasn’t got a clue what life is like for these women and you sound more interested in being a provocateur than in understanding anything about FGM and it’s significance in controlling women and girls. This shouldn’t be a subject to be bandied about to be edgy or contraversial.

FGM is far worse, although both are abhorrent. In some cultures, the rabbi actually puts the baby boy's penis in his mouth to stop the bleeding. This has resulted in babies catching herpes and in some cases dying. IMO, any parent that allows a grown man to put an infant's penis into his mouth should be sent to prison for facilitating paedophilia, and forcibly sterilised.

I read about the case where the rabbi did this-New York, wasn’t it? I raised it on another forum at the time and was told that widespread (male) circumcision is normal in America and the incidence of some related disease is far lower due to the enhanced cleanliness of being circumcised. It seems routine, before babies leave the hospital over there?

As for FGM, there is no possible reason for it, it’s criminal, done purely to suppress a woman and her ability to have/enjoy sex. Trouble is, having read many victim accounts, youngsters say that they don’t feel like a woman unless they’ve had it done, they feel ashamed etc because it’s so deeply ingrained in their culture that they feel they must have it done or they won’t get married=huge shame to their family. I think there’s an awful long way to go before this horrific practice is eradicated. It’s very underground. We’re told to watch for young girls being taken home to various African countries to see ‘aunties’ etc.

jacquesHammer

goodness me not at all I totally get you and your dh.

It’s something that needs to be discussed and you know me I never make it all about the men.

Your husbands view is very important as he’s been there.

I hope we can see more prosecutions but deardear post is hopeful

Male circumcision is always thrown into the fgm debate.

It's annoying. Can't fgm be talked about alone.

@tomorrowsword hopefully for your sake not the same but def agree, other than his occasional aesthetic concern, everything else was fine and he wasn't traumatised by it and in some respects it improved sensitivity. Def never detracted from sex!