To feel terrified after reading the prepping for Brexit threads?

[LittleNapRefuser]

I have genuinely cried real tears of fear after reading the threads on prepping for Brexit today. I have a toddler and right now I am terrified of what is to come and their future after all this.

I don't really have anyone to talk to about this in 'real life' because most people I know aren't reading the news or don't seem to care.

Should I be terrified? Should I be scared for my baby's future? Can anyone reassure me or offer me an alternative perspective on all this. I don't want to to put my head in the sand but I feel really afraid.

OP, please don't do anything differently because of random strangers on the internet.
Does it includes too newspapers such as the Times or the Independent? Or even does it include the government too.?
Because all of those people, not just random people on the Internet, are talking about stockpiling...

So what are we all supposed to do? Say that what the government is just irrelevant, or what the Times and the Indepedeng are saying is just scaremonging and ignore?
Sorry but much better taking that into account, stockpile some food and be prepared. If we don’t need it, then it won’t be lost anyway and you can still use it at a later date.

This is from a year ago, and we are no further forward wrt planning (other than vague "assurances" that there will be "adequate food" ):

www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-eu-negotiator-europe-euratom-airline-safety-negotiations-theresa-may-worse-anyone-guessed-a7858586.html

Electra - " there will be rioting if we say we're not fucking doing this." No there's no scare mongering going on at ALL. There'll be rioting if you don't DO AS YOU'RE TOLD!. Helps no one and shows up the hysteria.

There will also be rioting if we do leave and it ends up there are no food or medicines

Or if food and medicine supplies are severely impacted might be a better way of putting it.

It’s hard to think of a position that can be taken that will now be tolerable to everyone regardless of how they voted

I treat people in the NHS as qualified professionals and give them some credit for knowing what they're doing

Qualified medical professionals, yes. However I'd be surprised if many of them have indepth understanding of trade conditions when long standing treaties are ripped up, or the implications of operating under WTO rules. Also, no one (in the NHS or otherwise) knows how this is going to pan out, so there are lots of unknowns.

If my child was dependent on a drug, I wouldn't be relying on the assurances of people with no real knowledge facing a totally unknown situation. But like I say, we all make our choices.

and not wasting their time with politically motivated histrionics.

This is the crux really. You're so determined to see everything like this you refuse to engage any critical facilities.

People have tried to argue that Y2K was (variously) profiteering, never happened, was never going to happen, was never going to be serious so what was the fuss.

When people point out that a lot of planning and work went into it - and contrast that with the current situation - they then deflect into "Well, planning is sensible but panicking is not"

I can perfectly understand why those with no "spare" disposable income to be able to put bits 'n' pieces away/need medication for themselves/their children can be very concerned when our own government starts talking about the need to stockpile (not that it's going to do it itself, it expects others to take the risk ) and that we should be reassured by this This is a fucking self inflicted situation It is not war time.

I too can remember the 3 Day week, rolling power cuts and rubbish piling up in the street (even if as a child I enjoyed the time off school ). It wasn't a nice time. The first time huddling in front of an open gas oven in candle light for heat was an adventure. Subsequent times were not. I can remember shopping in supermarkets in candle light - and buying bread when you saw it, because you didn't know when you might get some again.

I also remember the UK joining the EEC as "the sick man of Europe", the devaluation of the pound and going to the IMF for a loan and sky high inflation well into the 80s.

Life in the 70s wasn't a bed of roses - and I lived in a relatively cushioned "middle class" bubble. For the "have nots" it was even worse

When people point out that a lot of planning and work went into it - and contrast that with the current situation - they then deflect into "Well, planning is sensible but panicking is not"

I was a code monkey working on legacy code and applying patches to legacy systems during the Y2K so I am obviously aware of the planning involved as I was at the coalface, but to deny there was a level of hysteria at play as well as a lot of profiteering, hence the Y2K ready labels on innocuous systems is revisionist. We were not sat there waiting for the clock to strike 12 at midnight with beads of sweat running down our faces, the serious planning was for patching creaking legacy systems, the same amount of planning is applied since Y2k when any of those systems need an update and why a lot of them have been and are being phased out.

Nobody has said planning is not important, but when you get people quoting Independant articles and others essentially wanting written confirmation from the drug companies themselves despite their public stance, as you can't believe experts take them at their word. Then it starts bordering on hysteria.

Don’t read the threads op. I think some people are actually enjoying the drama but have no regard for people like you who are really fearful.

It’s a trade agreement which will get sorted.

Don’t panic. Pop over to the other thread and he reassured.

People who didn't actually work inIT and drifted in and out of thinking about it tended to overreact about Y2K. Doesn't mean it wasn't a problem to be addressed.

bellinisurge

It was a problem and it was addressed but any CTO or IT Director with integrity will admit that the risk and impact was overstated

Ok. I'm checking this thread for the last time and then stepping away. I promise!

I'm sorry for anyone I have offended. This is the first time I've waded into the melee of a MN 'fighty' thread and it's not a nice feeling. Plus it's getting my blood pressure up and I'm already feeling short tempered as it is after a night of little sleep. So that has affected my ability to reply with compassion and respect.

I'm just very frustrated and anxious about this situation, and I can only hope we can all work together to get through this. Because when it gets bad, fighting amongst ourselves is the absolute worst thing we can do (see looting and rioting).

Please though, try to show some compassion to your fellow humans and don't belittle those who are experiencing very real feelings of fear and despair. It's an entirely natural reaction to what we are facing. Telling people they are being ridiculous really won't help.

However. I can't resist offering to the first person who can list 5 good reasons for why we should be leaving the EU. Reasoned, impartial arguments please!

Peace and love to you all.

I think leavers comparing brexit with Y2K is quite revealing: it was a glitch that had the potential to be disastrous; whereas brexit is systemic issue.
I've noticed that leavers language always reduces the EU membership to something non-essential, or no more than a glitch. I think that's where the divide still lies and hasn't moved on since 2016. Leavers and remainers can never agree anything unless there is a common understanding of what it is we're even talking about.

No point in giving reasons to stay or go is there we are going.

Op trust me. Our economy will boom and bust over the coming years just as it always has, shops will b full of food and planes will fly. Tourists will come and in turn British people will travel and live and work abroad.

Immigration levels will remain unchanged and by this time next year you won’t notice any difference.

Chill

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/army-on-standby-for-no-deal-brexit-emergency-dz3359lrf

Fuck Brexit. That is all.

seasawride I dearly hope you're right but if nothing at all changes what was the point in the first place? Just a really costly pointless political exercise at Westminster?

Badderwolf - impressively elequent, noooo panicking or fuck yooooo allll, alll I tell yeeee on this thread as well as the others. Damn yoooo Brexit, damn yoooo! Seriously, get a grip and stop scare mongering.

Doesn't it make sense to say there's provisions just in case if so? I'm sure you'd be one of the first to say "fuck you Brexit WE SHOULD HAVE HAD THE ARMY ON STANDBY, arrrrgh!" if not. If you're determined to doom, you do it whatever the scenario, clearly.

Well said, seaside.

@Seasawride hope you are right and I am wrong and there will be no food distribution blip as we leave.
My dd comes first so, forgive me if I don't have the faith you have.

@WhoAteAllthePercyPigs

1. 90 billion trade deficit. We buy far more from them than they buy from us.

1. 13 billion annual contribution to the EU.

1. EU court of justice trumps our laws. We want our sovereignty back.

1. ▪ Consumers could also benefit from the UK no longer having to follow policies like the Common Agricultural Policy, which costs Britain £1 billion a year in subsidies to foreign farmers and is believed to waste a lot of money on bureaucratic spending. This could potentially lower supermarket costs. The Common Fisheries Policy also places regulations on the British Fishing Industry that prevents it from reaching its potential. The cost of clothing could also go down without barriers from the Common Customs Tariff that prevents cheap clothing producers from entering the EU market.

5. ▪ EU would no longer regulate trade costs, therefore Britain would be able to to set Value Added Tax and other regulations for itself.

I can add a lot more. Can I have my cake now?

Point 3.
Parliament is sovereign and always has been. We have not lost sovereignty. International courts will continue to make decisions that overrule some of our laws.

Someone else will deal with the other points.

rainbow you would agree that the army is only deployed in case of extreme disruption (ie natural disasters or obviously external attack); how is that not a cause for at least questions? It sure is not an everyday scenario.

Even Amazon are warning of the potential for civil unrest within two weeks in the case of No Deal.

uk.businessinsider.com/amazon-uk-boss-doug-gurr-warns-brexit-spark-civil-unrest-2018-7

Oh you’ve done it mentioning the A word OhYouBadBadKitten, we’re going to get the taxes rant next.