To feel terrified after reading the prepping for Brexit threads?

[LittleNapRefuser]

I have genuinely cried real tears of fear after reading the threads on prepping for Brexit today. I have a toddler and right now I am terrified of what is to come and their future after all this.

I don't really have anyone to talk to about this in 'real life' because most people I know aren't reading the news or don't seem to care.

Should I be terrified? Should I be scared for my baby's future? Can anyone reassure me or offer me an alternative perspective on all this. I don't want to to put my head in the sand but I feel really afraid.

And really given that People who voted Remain were told that they are traitors and by our PM that we were Citizens of Nowhere, is anyone at all surprised that emotions are running somewhat high at the moment when suddenly the Government is talking about stockpiling ? It really is a what the fuck moment for a lot of people and bound to create some anxiety. In time one we’ve adapted to the concept that anxiety will turn to anger for those who aren’t already angry and the divide gets deeper.

If you're really worried, why not book a holiday abroad for the first two weeks of April

If there is no deal, how do you propose anyone is going to be able to travel overseas? No flights, and you won't be allowed through passport control in the countries you can get to by ferry/train.

I can't actually see how there can be no deal because no deal=no legal certainty and that isn't possible.

However, despite thinking that, I am not entirely convinced by the politicians on either side, and therefore I'm not booking any overseas holidays for 2019 until March 30th. And I am going to stockpile things that are really important - even if they are made in the UK I don't know where all the ingredients from things come from, so whether they'll still be available.

It's ludicrous that this is actually being talked about. Dogma over practicality.

I remember the Millennium Bug and thinking the world was going to fall apart.

The whole point of the MB was that people were working hard for years in advance to make sure it was ok.

Where as this isn't happening for brexit. Or have you not noticed?

There are a list of agencies/agreements/treaties that need to be sorted out for the normal running of the country. We are leaving in a matter of months and nothing has been done about any of them.

If you think crashing out with no deal in these circs won't cause severe disruption, you're an idiot.

Leaving Europe smoothly is not impossible. But it would have taken years in the planning and much smarter negotiators than the clowns of our current government.

What we're doing now is active, wilful, pig headed self harm. For gains that no one can articulate.

Anyone booking a holiday abroad after March next year should read the small print very carefully.
I’m going on holiday in February.

runningkeenster

If there is no deal, how do you propose anyone is going to be able to travel overseas? No flights, and you won't be allowed through passport control in the countries you can get to by ferry/train.

No fligts?

Yes because before 1972, no one was able to fly in / out of the UK and no one was able fly over Europe*.

*I'm only glad Bomber Command and the RAF didn't pay any attention to this.

God can't believe how awful people are being to each other on this thread.

Couldn't agree more.

I've booked a European holiday for April and just about to book a second one for July. You really think that Europe are going to lose out on the the masses of Brits who go to Europe each year? Stop scaremongering and stop reading the tabloids. No one knows anything and it's all conjecture.

Anyway could do with losing a bit of weight so rationing a good idea...!

@FrancinePefko42 if we leave the EU with no deal, there is no automatic fall back position for the regulations that allow planes to fly, so there is a real chance that planes would be ground (at least for a while)

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/opinion/cliff-taylor-in-aviation-there-is-no-fall-back-position-in-a-no-deal-brexit-1.3578503%3fmode=amp

Saying that, the above is one of the reasons I think there will be a deal, or an extension of some kind.

I don’t think the Open Skies agreement covers military flights, so you can rest assured that Bomber Command will still be able to bomb the crap out of Germany if they feel so inclined.
(Though I might be mistaken, so they should check first.)

Original poster here, going to step away from the thread now because I am finding it quite upsetting. Being told by a previous poster that her and her partner chose not to bring children into this world over 40 year ago because it would have been unfair has really shocked me. Likewise the discussion about how if Brexit doesn't finish us, 'environmental armageddon' will... For what it's worth, those comments mean I do now feel even more guilty for bringing a child into such a dangerous world. I was hoping for balance but it seems it really is as bad a people are saying. And the way some posters are talking to other is just so unpleasant. Thanks to those who left usual and pragmatic comments.

On a more prosaic level, to illustrate to those who say that Y2K/the Milleneum Bug was just "scare mongering" : I worked for a couple of telecoms companies in the run up (and beyond) 2000. Although I wasn't part of the (many) teams dealing with it (at great expense, which of course companies needing to make profits would have been happy to spend not if it weren't required), we were briefed regularly about their progress.

If they hadn't done their work and fixed the programming, often tucked away in the most innocuous of places , not only would our phones (both landlines and mobiles) have stopped working, but the BBC, ITV, essentially all TV and radio would have gone off air Can you imagine the panic that would've then ensued? At best, small local radio stations, which didn't use telecoms links but most do might have been able to continue to broadcast.

So don't say planning isn't required

Yes because before 1972, no one was able to fly in / out of the UK and no one was able fly over Europe

We can't just teleport back to 1972. We need international agreements to fly over other country's airspace and once we leave the EU we wont have them. It's not that complicated to understand.

Francine there obviously will be flights in the long term but the world moved on just a touch since 1972 (my memories of early 70’s as a very young child are of power cuts so I for one am pretty pleased about this).

Meanwhile to cope with massively increased amounts of air traffic, a number of agreements are in place. These will alll need redoing when we come out of the EU and the aviation industry have explained that a disorderly Brexit does mean potentially short term disruption. So yet again what happened in 1972 is just completely irrelevant.

@LittleNapRefuser take care and prepare within reason. Do contact your MP. Best wishes.

@BlitheringIdiots it's nothing to do with the EU wanting to lose out on tourism, it's the fact that all of our air routes are negotiated through the EU as part of the open skies agreement.

If we leave with no deal we leave Open Skies and will have to replace it with alternative arrangements, which as yet have not been arranged. These take time.

Childrenofthesun

"The NHS and Dept of Health have already given a categorical reassurance that insulin supplies will not be affected."

Have they given any details of how they will ensure supply?

No. So what I am doing now is haranguing my local NHS clinic mornimg, noon and night with emails and phone calls and in-person protests demanding to see every letter, every email and to sit in on every meeting on the topic between the department, the NHS and Sanofi, Aventis, Lilly and Nova Nordisk.

No. So what I am doing now is haranguing my local NHS clinic mornimg, noon and night with emails and phone calls and in-person protests demanding to see every letter, every email and to sit in on every meeting on the topic between the department, the NHS and Sanofi, Aventis, Lilly and Nova Nor disk

If I had an insulin dependent child I most certainly would be doing that, but if you're happy to take their word for it that's your prerogative.

So don't say planning isn't required

I don't think anyone has said planning isn't required.
Quite a few of us have said panicking isn't required.

I was hoping for balance but it seems it really is as bad a people are saying

Well it's not, as frankly none of us know what will or won't happen. And most of the disaster scenarios involve a no deal brexit, which hasn't been confirmed yet.

Personally as someone who suffers from anxiety my advice is stay off the MN threads about this and just wait til we know what position we are actually in before you start panicking.

Friday13th - they won't want to risk losing all the money being spent currently in the costas etc so us leaving with no deal on airspace is pretty slim. All the hotels will be empty and massive job losses across Spain Greece etc. Patience. Patience.

OP, please don't do anything differently because of random strangers on the internet.

You are obviously suffering from anxiety- that's a hell of a thing to cope with, even by itself, without all the scaremongering.

I wish you all the best

If I had an insulin dependent child I most certainly would be doing that, but if you're happy to take their word for it that's your prerogative

Well I do have one! I treat people in the NHS as qualified professionals and give them some credit for knowing what they're doing and not wasting their time with politically motivated histrionics.

Btw OP, feel free to PM me if you need to talk. Just talking, no judgements.

Yes, planning if you feel the need to can only be sensible, panicking people definitely isn't helping anyone though as you say. Agree about the anxiety bit too, it's crap and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Definitely the best thing to do is stay off the boards for your own mental health instead of worrying yourself further.

Looks like political game playing to me.