To feel terrified after reading the prepping for Brexit threads?

[LittleNapRefuser]

I have genuinely cried real tears of fear after reading the threads on prepping for Brexit today. I have a toddler and right now I am terrified of what is to come and their future after all this.

I don't really have anyone to talk to about this in 'real life' because most people I know aren't reading the news or don't seem to care.

Should I be terrified? Should I be scared for my baby's future? Can anyone reassure me or offer me an alternative perspective on all this. I don't want to to put my head in the sand but I feel really afraid.

Anyway,
OP, I trust this thread has cleared everything up for you.

Maybe, maybe, if we had had competent people in charge, and a well thought out plan before article 50, maybe then I would trust it would all be ok. But no, we have a bunch of fucking clowns. No-one has a fucking clue what they are doing!

Fair point, it's all a bloody mess really isn't it?

But I don't think name-calling and accusations are the way to change things for the better. I'm not accusing you of those btw, just some particularly vocal pro-remain posters do it, and all it does is get people's backs up, rather than trying to find solutions.

Im trying not to be worried. I voted and campaigned for Remain and I do hope we end up remaining but I dont think thats really going to happen so id just resigned myself to trying to not think about it.... trying to hope for the best.... its getting very difficult to think that its not going to negatively effect my family quite seriously now.... I think people with a certain amount of money are going to be fine but every single thing I read indicates that fuel prices and food costs will go up in some way... when you scrape by anyway that is going to really hit hard
I havent been stockpiling food or anything but im certainly not looking forward to what the next ten years has in store... I expect things to get difficult

But the UK is absolutely capable of manufacturing insulin. And so are other countries outside of the EU.

Yes, I am sure this is true. Are we now preparing the factories that can manufacture our own supply of insulin? How long does it take to build one, or two, or however many are needed, and where is the money to do this coming from? Do we have people trained to do the work and who want to do it? How long does it take to train them and are any of them being trained right now? In short, what is the lead time on manufacturing our own insulin that is not sourced from the EU? I have no idea where it currently comes from as it's not an issue that affects me. Do you? If we are indeed preparing for insulin manufacturing in order to replace EU supplies, that sounds great, but I've heard nothing about this and the person on this thread who has a son affected by this doesn't seem to have any inside info either. Are we also preparing for all the other drugs that we need? There must be hundreds of drugs that we need to import and which are, if not life saving, very important to those who use them. Are we going to build hundreds of factories around the country to deal with those too? Where? And who is going to do this?

Countries outside the EU are a red herring as we cannot negotiate a deal with them to import insulin until after we have left. Other countries that are not in the EU will have different standards relating to drug manufacture. Do we know what those are and which countries have high enough standards for us to want to buy from them? And are those countries preparing for the upswing in demand from the UK once we have negotiated some kind of deal - which might take years, so I suppose they have some time unlike InigoMontoyaWillcox's son?

rainbow obviously that’s the whole point. Politically we are up in the air, but the whole point is that people who voted to leave had no fucking notion of what any of it meant.
That is why we are in this catastrophic fucking mess now
(Note no !)

Just to mention, the ROI (and other EU countries) have many major pharma companies and can supply the UK.

But they are in EU. Exports from EU to UK can happen at 0% tariff (if decided by UK).

However, then we are on WTO rules, which means EU exports to the UK are at "the most favoured nation" status, and ALL WTO countries can demand 0% tariffs with UK as a result.

However, the EU (and other WTO countries) can decide to impose high tariffs on imports from the UK.

Now square THAT circle for me in the absence of a deal.

It is just so incredibly foolish for the UK to think they do not have to operate within either EU or International Trade Laws at all. But they really do think this.

Wake up call is coming soon. If I know this, surely they do also, and I'm just an ordinary person who has read up on it a bit.

You're not going to get people saying why and what reasons etc though are you, until you're prepared to actually listen to people instead of either hurling abuse or even in what would have been a fair point you still can't help dramatising by your emotive language of catastrophic fucking mess. Other people have differing opinions, differing life views and experiences and they are perfectly entitled to them.

Well this really does put things in perspective doesn’t it? I’m so sorry about your son.
People need to realise that it’s so much more serious than stockpiling tins of tuna!!

I too believe the referendum should never have happened. Those who voted leave really don’t have the first clue.
Thanks a bunch for putting us all in this shit storm

I'm sure we'll sort something out wrt insulin eventually. That doesn't solve things in the crazy days and weeks after a no deal Brexit (or even any sort of Brexit!). Even a few hours without insulin can be fatal.

I'm so fucking angry that I'm even having to worry about all this!

And it's all so unneccessary. I mean, honestly, who, other than a few extreme UKIP types and fringe Tories, was really all that worried about the EU and "taking back control" until a few years ago?! Most of us didn't give a flying fuck. But now thanks to David Cameron trying to avert a Tory civil war, not forgetting dodgy money that we still don't know where from exactly, and a campaign that broke the law (that nobody seems that concerned about?!), we are seriously facing the possibility that people could die.

Why? Someone tell me why? It is madness, absolute fucking madness!

I’m listening but not hearing any sense. I really don’t think I’ve hurled any abuse and I don’t believe that my use of words has been overly emotive, it’s how I feel.
I fully accept that others have opinions that are different from my own, they are indeed entitled to them, I simply would like someone to help me understand the positive aspects of leaving the EU, because I really can’t get it

Inigo,

I am not one bit surprised you are very worried. As a pp said, it puts stocking up on tins of tuna into perspective.

I totally agree with you, it is so bloody unnecessary and is causing very many people a lot of anxiety and fear.

I can only hope that the UK negotiators see sense in the coming weeks. I understand that the Civil Service (Olly Robbins DEXIT Department) is in official negotiations with EU all through the Summer and beyond.

The Sir Humphreys can be castigated, but they know the real score outside of party infighting and all that. Let us hope that sense prevails.

Meanwhile the rest of the numpties are off on their holidays. Whilst the rest of us worry about all the fallout.

Strange country is the UK at the minute really.

Ain'tnothing - oh, nice try. You know full well you hurl abuse the second someone says their view and that they voted leave. You're straight in there with you should be ashamed comments, you have absolutely no intention of listening to anyone else.

You wouldn't hear anything that makes any sense, though, would you? As I said, you can't see anything else unless it's something you want to hear.

Thank you for your insight rainbows I still see a very large gaping hole in the explanation area.
I’m still listening 👂

Oh dear. The most depressing thing of the many depressing aspects of Brexit is how clueless so many people still are, some wilfully so.

We were not alright before we joined the EEC, that's why we joined. Even if things had been fine then, Brexit is not a time machine that turns the whole world back 45 years. Globalisation has happened, trading/food supplies etc are unrecognisable from that time. Can't believe people are still coming out with such a facile argument.

It is not a case of EU countries not wanting to trade with us, it is that they will be unable to trade without customs checks. The EU has the highest food safety standards in the world. If we drop out with no deal, all our food produce has to be inspected if it is being inported into to the EU, hence plans to turn the M26 into a lorry park We can unilaterally drop tariffs and customs checks on goods into the UK, but under WTO rules that means we would have to drop them from every country in the world and would have no control over the standard of food coming into the country

If you think that you'll just rely on non-EU imports, you have no understanding of trade. Your Kenyan salad seeds or whatever are most likely exported to a single distribution point somewhere in the EU and then driven to the UK by truck, so will still be held up in those queues at Calais.

We can't even rely on falling back on WTO rules. Since submitting our paperwork to the WTO about how we'd like to just copy over our existing schedules from our EU membership, numerous countries including the USA, Australia and Argentina have already objected and said that they won't accept those terms.

I still think the chances of no-deal are fairly slim, but there's no way it wouldn't be a disaster if it did happen.

You know, for ten years I have held it in. He didn't die. We got to the hospital in time. He was in intensive care for a fortnight. "He has diabetes" they said. Relief! They can treat that. "He's not out of the woods yet. We have to rehydrate him and there is a chance of brain damage."

But he was ok. He survived. We learned. I learned too much and scared myself witless about hypos and hypers, long term complications, blindness, amputations, reduction in life-expectancy, dead-in-bed syndrome.

I had to hold down a screaming toddler 6 times a day to inject him. I had to weigh out everything he ate, calculate the carbohydrate content of everything he ate or drank, work out the required insulin dose every time, even when he was tired or hungry and all he wanted to do was sit down and eat like his siblings, not have to check his blood and do maths every time.

I have checked him every night to make sure he is safe. I am always fearful every morning going into his bedroom - did he make it through the night?

But we have the NHS. We have insulin. We have a fantastic team (of EU doctors and nurses!) looking after him. He has good odds. He lives as normal a life as possible with a life-threatening illness.

And now Brexit. angry

I have held it in for ten years. But not tonight.

Ain'tnothing - still not getting it, are you? The reason noone is putting their point across is because the second they do you pile in. You really are not listening to a word otherwise it'd be sinking in with you. As I said, it either leaves you in your own little echo chamber of terrible, terrible, or nastiness if someone says different. You don't hear a thing if it's not something you want to hear.

rainbows how can you stick to your unloaded guns when you read what inigo is saying?
Surely even you, dogged as you appear to be, must admit that there are very far reaching consequences ahead and that people are bloody scared.

I suppose they have some time unlike InigoMontoyaWillcox's son?

What is wrong with you?

Yes, I have lost a child. No, I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy, let alone someone I don't even know, who I have only briefly interacted with on a forum. I'm not a monster. I really hope Inigo and her son live long, healthy and happy lives.

I'm just someone with different political opinions from you. That is ok, isn't it?

Who is desperately worried about someone dependent on her, who will never, ever get better. Just worse and worse, as the years pass.

But slagging off people who voted leave changes nothing for anybody.

Stop stirring. You can only manipulate people's grief to your advantage if they let you.

No rainbows it appears that you are not getting it. I have repeatedly asked for someone to tell me why it’s a good thing to leave the EU and you bang on , ad nauseum, that I’m not listening.
I am listening.
Please say something of value instead of just telling me I’m not listening.
I AM LISTENING

I'm waiting too. Why?

Inigo, this may be a long shot as I am not on any Social Media apart from here and a couple of other niche forums I am into.

But is there a dedicated UK insulin dependent page on Facebook? Just thought that if those of you caring for children with this condition could get together, even for mutual support, but more for activism IYSWIM, would be an idea?

Maybe there is and you are already engaged.

Best wishes anyway, and I understand your anger and fear. Terrible times, and so unnecessary.

Ain'tnothing - what part of it don't you get?! NOBODY KNOWS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN and also nobody is going to come forward and say they voted leave and why because the second you do you're straight in there and on them! You have no intention of listening to them. Somebody on the other thread linked to Charlie Brown and the football. Can't link right now but that sums it up perfectly.

👂?

It basically went "come on Charlie, I promise I won't this time. I'll do it properly, I promise." Charlie - "maybe she really means it this time... ok then..." and ends up walking straight into it again.
Every time. If you really were listening you wouldn't round straight on with your insults or ashamed comments, you'd listen like you said you're doing. It's clear you're not.