Neighbour's toddler waking entire street up

[Myheadhurtsintheheat]

I've NC'd for this as it might be outing.

Our NDN has an 22-month-old DC who doesn't talk much but squawks like a parrot at top volume. I swear this is no exaggeration - it's the most bizarre noise. From what we can tell, toddler's parents never encourage him not to make the noise - they just let him squawk. I think they're from the "be expressive" school of thought.

My AIBU is that they're bringing him out into their back garden at 6.30am when he's up and he's squawking everyone awake, including my DC, whose room is at the back too. I get that it's very hot and really hard for kids to sleep at the moment, but isn't it incredibly selfish to inflict that noise on everyone else if you're not going to try to teach the child to moderate it when appropriate? Or am I just being a grumpy old moaner?

And if INBU, should I say something?

Not in my world either!

So the rights of your toddler to make a noise trump the rights of adults to sleep.

That's probably why so many kids are twattish now.

Whereas in my world, the toddler has to adjust it's behaviour to fit in socially......

I'm sure they'd be quick to complain if I let my kids scream the garden down late into the evening

Do it then. Let them complain. No one will do anything. Like I keep repeating...what does the law say?!

Fgs this is a toddler child, not a rave or noisy building works.

I honestly see no difference.

It's noise facilitated by the ignorant actions of adults....

No one is suggesting taking the child to task, just the allegedly responsible adults...

I'm raising my DC in your world SlartiAardvark! It's quite mind-boggling how many parents think their DC's needs trump everyone else's.

formerbabe I don't know about the law. Why don't you tell us, seeing as you keep pressing the point?

Fgs this is a toddler child, not a rave or noisy building works

I honestly see no difference

Well, the law sees a difference

@formerbabe why does it matter what the law says? Do you never act considerately just because the law doesn't say you have to?

My toddler screams like a banshee sometimes it's awful! When he makes it we say no and give him a stern face in the hope that this will eventually sink in! I would never put him in the garden to share his gift with the neighbours not at 630 that's exceptionally inconsiderate.

I don't even let my 21 month old out his room until 7am for fear of him waking his brother let alone outside.

We sit in room and play or read I don't just shut him in room and leave him to sort himself out btw

Night Hours are 11.00pm to 7.00am, so before 7.00am the parents need to keep the child indoors if they can't control his noise levels.

Do you never act considerately just because the law doesn't say you have to?

Of course I act considerately. However, I'd put my DC's needs above those of random strangers

There is never a need to screech and squawk. Like ever

Night Hours are 11.00pm to 7.00am, so before 7.00am the parents need to keep the child indoors if they can't control his noise levels

Do they?

There is never a need to screech and squawk. Like ever

Correct...if you are an adult

Well, the law sees a difference

The Law says many things.

The Law is an ass.

Empathy for your neighbours isn't a law, but by God, it can make your life a lot more comfortable if you have some, rather than bleating "It's the luuuuur" all the time....

However, I'd put my DC's needs above those of random strangers

Last I checked a child didn't NEED to be out making a racket in the garden from 6.30am.

The kid might want to - completely different situation and one the parents can and should be managing

And as a child.

Babies toddlers and children can't help crying.

But there is certainly not any kind of need to be out in the garden squawking.

Expression etc is the bull shit excuses parents come out witg when they cabt he arsed to parent and their kids run riot round restraunts and supermarkets.

@formerbabe they're the parents neighbours, not random strangers. Also there is no need to be in the garden at 6.30am.
If this is your Attitude in bringing up your children then the likelihood is they will grow up to be spoiled and entitled. You're doing them no favours.

If my 22mo was non verbal then I certainly wouldn’t be doing anything to discourage any noises they made, so for that and your snarky comments about ‘squawking’ YABVU.

They should not be outside that early though. I don’t let mine out until 9am. So go round and ask politely that they stay indoors until at least 8am. That request isn’t unreasonable at all.

Sorry formerbabe - I assume you've now actually read the thread & know what we're talking about?

In which case, why do you think it's acceptable (from a societal point of view) to take a child into the garden & allow them to make loud noises at the expense of all the surrounding people at 06:30 in the morning - when even your good buddy "The Law" says that noise should be kept to a minimum before 07:00??

There is never a need to screech and squawk. Like ever - dont be stupid, there are children out there and adults who have special needs and cant help it!

Its too to inflict this on everyone else. I completely agree. Not sure how you tackle this though...

I'd put my DC's needs above those of random strangers

But we're not strangers. We're next door neighbours.

Thank god I don't live next to you, formerbabe. I pity those who do.