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To be utterly depressed at this article and comments it generated in the Daily Mail

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Dulra · 20/07/2018 10:13

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5972845/Irish-PM-mocked-saying-ban-British-planes-airspace.html

I apologise in advance because I am linking a daily mail article and I know a lot of mumsnetters hate the daily mail and all it represents but this article and its hateful comments has really upset me. The article is referring to comments made yesterday by the Irish Taoiseach in relation to Brexit. He said “You cannot have your cake and eat it. You can’t take back your waters and then expect to use other people’s sky”. It was an ill-advised comment and he shouldn’t have said it. But it is no secret that the Irish government are getting increasingly frustrated with the lack of progress on Brexit and the lack of a clear plan from the British government to negotiate with. His comment was in response to comments made in Britain that Irish fishermen could be banned from fishing in UK waters next to the Irish coast. The Daily Mail reported on it yesterday and continue to do today. What they said he said was that leo Varadkar had threatened to ban British flights over Irish airspace. Read quote above that is not what he said!
You can imagine the comments this generated mainly slagging off the Irish loads of potato famine references, leprechaun references, stupid irish, stupid Taoiseach, he’s not even Irish, where would Ireland be without Britain, the south should just join with the north and become a part of Britain again, Ireland is the begger state of the EU, Ireland would be better represented by a potato. I could go on and on and on.
I am just so sad that people think this and think it is ok to say these things. Fine Britain want to leave the EU but why the sudden hate against the Irish. Why is every other country that disagrees with brexit and is fed up with it suddenly a target for this hate. What hope has the Good Friday agreement got in this climate?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5972845/Irish-PM-mocked-saying-ban-British-planes-airspace.html

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Poloshot · 20/07/2018 20:17

He's talking shit anyway, we don't need to go over Irish airspace to go anywhere apart from the states from southern airports so they'll just divert them over Northern Ireland. He on the other hand needs our airspace to avoid massive diversions for their flights to almost anywhere in Europe.

Rdoo · 20/07/2018 20:46

He's talking shit anyway, we don't need to go over Irish airspace to go anywhere apart from the states from southern airports so they'll just divert them over Northern Ireland. He on the other hand needs our airspace to avoid massive diversions for their flights to almost anywhere in Europe.
He wasn't just talking about Irish airspace, he was talking about EU airspace.

Poloshot · 20/07/2018 20:59

@Rdoo not according to the article

Poloshot · 20/07/2018 21:00

Sorry didn't see the word 'just' in your comment. No doubt but the principle still stands it's as much in the EU's interest as it is ours to get their act together

Nellyphants · 20/07/2018 21:02

Why poloshot, why do EU have to get their act together, what will happen if they don’t?

abilockhart · 20/07/2018 21:15

Nellyphants Fri 20-Jul-18 21:02:37
Why poloshot, why do EU have to get their act together, what will happen if they don’t?

poloshot clearly realises that Brexiteers are completely incapable of getting anything together.

Since the UK cannot possibly get its act together then we just leave it to the EU to do it. D'oh!

DesignStatement · 20/07/2018 21:18

Daily Mail readers are not known for their intelligence, political wisdom, discernment or liberal views. I wouldn't worry too much about what they say and anticipate they would be basically racist, xenophobic rantings of all those on board that ship of fools.

(Is the Daily Fail picking up and quoting from this thread? I imagine not!)

Poloshot · 20/07/2018 21:22

@Nellyphants they'll be missing out on all we bring to the party. Get your head out your hole

glintandglide · 20/07/2018 21:27

The the Irish are appearing to have forgotten the 2010 bailout they had from the British, and whilst I do understand all their points now (and agree with them!) they are only going to attract utter outrage from the general public in the U.K. with these sorts of comments

LastTrainEast · 20/07/2018 21:37

BaronessBlonde It's akin to your neighbouring semi-detached homeowners deciding that they want to have a detached house. It's more like giving in your notice because you want to start your own business and then unexpectedly having to endure irrational hatred from your co-workers who you had previously thought were decent people. It confirms that we are doing the right thing in my opinion.

We had our own house remember and were doing fine with it. I doubt anyone would have agreed to enter the EU if we had been shown the locks on the door.

Remainers There was a vote. Everyone concerned got one and was happy enough until it didn't go their way at which point it turned to bile and hate and tantrums. Get over it.

Nellyphants · 20/07/2018 21:42

Sorry poloshot I’m a bit dim. What do you bring to the party? No big words for me mind.

DrMantisToboggan · 20/07/2018 21:49

We had our own house remember and were doing fine with it.

Er, no. This is just wrong. The U.K. was falling significantly behind the European Community countries in terms of economic growth in the postwar period. That’s why it applied to join in the first place.

LaurieMarlow · 20/07/2018 21:51

The the Irish are appearing to have forgotten the 2010 bailout they had from the British, and whilst I do understand all their points now (and agree with them!) they are only going to attract utter outrage from the general public in the U.K. with these sorts of comments

The UK appear to have forgotten their history of shitty treatment of the Irish and the fact that brexit is set to screw over the Irish economy significantly.

Irish patience for the brexit shitshow is running very thin indeed.

DrMantisToboggan · 20/07/2018 21:53

the Irish are appearing to have forgotten the 2010 bailout they had from the British

It wasn’t a “bailout”; it was a loan with standard interest rates, due to be paid back in 2021. Ireland has already paid back £400m of interest.

MadMags · 20/07/2018 21:57

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Rdoo · 20/07/2018 21:58

It wasn’t a “bailout”; it was a loan with standard interest rates, due to be paid back in 2021. Ireland has already paid back £400m of interest.

Irish also tried to pay it back early, about 12 months ago and UK wouldn't accept it as they're making a fortune on the interest.

Anyway - if anyone what's to play "what about" - Ireland has about 800 (and still counting) years of "what about".

abilockhart · 20/07/2018 22:06

glintandglide Fri 20-Jul-18 21:27:24

The the Irish are appearing to have forgotten the 2010 bailout they had from the British, and whilst I do understand all their points now (and agree with them!) they are only going to attract utter outrage from the general public in the U.K. with these sorts of comments

Yet another embarrassing, ill-informed contribution.

I doubt you feel any shame, glintandglide.

Quimby · 20/07/2018 22:07

“He confirmed that yes, lots of Irish people, including himself and members of his family, friends etc, who are also well educated abd can read big words, refer to the island that comprises Scotland, Wales and England as the mainland. ”

Only e we heard it said with fucking lashings of sarcasm

Leo 😎
The English 😂😂
Fucking Brexit voters 😂😂😂😂

Poloshot · 20/07/2018 22:10

@Nellyphants you're not wrong there.

MadMags · 20/07/2018 22:13

@Poloshot what do you bring to the party?

Nellyphants · 20/07/2018 22:17

Where am I not wrong Poloshot? Will you explain? It would really help me to improve on my very basic hedge school education.

I’m sure you’ll give me the benefit of your intellect.

Xenia · 20/07/2018 22:52

I had never come across the way some Irish posters post until this week. It's very interesting.

We certainly have a huge mess over Brexit (writing as a remainer here) and it is going to be very complicated. Many UK airlines have already applied for licences in other EU states already and the Irish obviously need to fly much more over English air space than vice versa by a very long way and even when Russia invaded the Crimea flights continued but it is certainly an area to watch.

Mainland is a term I have always associated with Orkney actually ( I have some Orkney ancestors). They called the big island Mainland (even though the whole lot of islands are islands themselves.

We will just have to see what can be negotiated by March. The clock is ticking.

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Dulra · 20/07/2018 23:10

Just got back to thread. Reading some of these comments shows it's not just the daily mail readers that are ignorant ill-informed and arrogant but thank you to the majority who clearly understand why the comments were depressing.

poloshot
Article linked below may explain why he's not talking shit. That's the problem with brexiteers whenever they're faced with the facts on a hard brexit they cry scare mongering or shoot the messenger as happened with varadkar

www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/hysteria-over-varadkar-aviation-comments-doesn-t-fly-1.3571565?mode=amp

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Rdoo · 20/07/2018 23:29

Read this article too Poloshot. The Irish are looking on in amazement at the reaction to the Taoiseach's comments in the UK.
www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-taoiseach-british-planes-irish-skies-4137889-Jul2018/?utm_source=shortlink

Rollonweekend · 21/07/2018 00:46

The the Irish are appearing to have forgotten the 2010 bailout they had from the British, and whilst I do understand all their points now (and agree with them!) they are only going to attract utter outrage from the general public in the U.K. with these sorts of comments

Clearly a DM reader right there. What you need and fail to understand is that Ireland will look after its sovereign interests because it is a separate country. In the same vein, the EU will look after it's interests (which include the Irish border question.

'Utter outrage' from Disgusted of Tunbridge won't impact on their negotiating strategy and you'll being silly to think it would.