To feel sickened that this man is being referred to in this way (WARNING UPSETTING CONTENT)

[bigoldscaredycat]

This man raped a three month old baby boy to the point where the baby needed corrective surgery.

He is now in a women’s prison in Canada where he has beaten up a female inmate.

THIS is where self ID leads. Men like this being incarcerated with women and their crimes being counted as female.

torontosun.com/news/national/feds-deny-paying-for-convicted-pedophiles-implants

www.newwestrecord.ca/dangerous-offender-in-b-c-loses-appeal-for-day-or-full-parole-1.23279132

Go on, Mumsnet, delete me for deliberately misgendering a male baby rapist.

THIS.IS.A.MAN.

Perhaps this story will illustrate why feminists are so up in arms about self ID.

I would love to see even the staunchest anti-women transactivist tell me that this person is a woman and that they belong in a women’s prison.

Hi Datun yes I am in Ireland but curious about British law. When you are in prison most of your rights are taken from you, freedom, right to eat, sleep etc what you want when you want, I am wondering why the right to transition can't be suspended until you are released just like all your other needs/wants. (aside from basic humans needs like shelter sustenance etc) Particularly when an adult man decides he is a woman after he is incarcerated, sometimes years after.

I know that trans women are women

Including the man in this article? The baby rapist? He is a woman, yes?

Not only is ladypenis used as an excuse to harass and coerce lesbians, it is now also being used to rape children.

Honestly, how must it feel for victims of such crimes to hear their male rapist described as a woman?

Honestly, how must it feel for victims of such crimes to hear their male rapist described as a woman?

I can’t imagine how traumatic. Especially if they are forced to refer to them that way in court. It’s barbaric

It really is barbaric. None of the ‘TWAW’ posters here have commented on/answered that. It is conveniently glossed over. I would not want to be the court official telling a child witness they must use ‘she’ to describe their attacker when they give their evidence, otherwise people will think they are transphobic.

Before giving their evidence, they will also have to promise in front of everybody, including a judge and police officers, that they will tell the truth about what happened. I used to work with vulnerable witnesses (and defendants) with communication difficulties. I got pretty good at simplifying complex legal processes and terminology into clear, concise language that they could understand. I would have hated to have to explain this situation to any of the children and young people I worked with. Even worse for a child with ASC to be required to lie in court!

Before anyone starts wondering whether waterlego is exaggerating, it has already happened that a woman in a British court was admonished by a judge for referring to her male attacker as "he". (It was a physical and not a sexual assault.) Depending on how you read the judge's words, it appears that as a result of the victim telling the truth about the sex of her attacker, firstly their violent attacker got a lighter sentence than might have been expected and secondly Criminal Injuries compensation was withheld from the victim.

There are some details here:

www.feministcurrent.com/2018/04/27/trans-identified-male-tara-wolf-charged-assault-hyde-park-attack/

Put simply, the criminal justice system does not know how to handle trans offenders and is open to manipulation.

This is one of Martin Ponting's victims speaking about him being moved to a women's prison.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/3137217/victims-fury-as-double-rapist-who-attacked-two-young-girls-is-moved-to-a-women-only-jail-after-10k-nhs-sex-change-op/amp/

Sky is running a series on News at the moment about GRA. They have interviewed some really lovely people, obviously kind, gentle souls who are MTF - and they really dont understand why women wont welcome self ID because they themselves and other transpeople they know are nice kind people. Which is kind of how I feel those who are OK with opening the doors to someone who is James today and Janet tomorrow may feel?

Personally I think a 3rd space has to be the way in all sectors of life because I dont see why women and children should be put at increased risk.

You can be a second wave feminist even if you were a child at the time of the movement. Fourth wave feminists are unwilling to acknowledge that previous feminists allied themselves to transexuals.

I was a trans ally until I was verbally attacked for asking how a pot bellied, balding man with a mustache, penis and presenting male, could possibly be a lesbian.

OvaHere, so you think it will pass? I have wondered if that might be the case, that it's a trend.

Popchyk, I'll definitely be spending more time on the feminism boards. The funny thing (but not actually funny at all) is that I avoided the feminism section because I believed it to be how it is portrayed in the media, full of feminazis and transphobics. I probably should of just taken a look for myself ages ago

I believe aspects of it are a trend particularly with some young people and the culture that goes hand in hand with it. So those things will move on I think in a similar way that punk culture did or indeed any culture driven by the young over various decades.

Gender dysphoria, cross dressing, AGP fetish isn't going to disappear so how we handle the law around all those things now is very important so we don't create bad legislation that has future repercussions.

Popchyk, I'll definitely be spending more time on the feminism boards. The funny thing (but not actually funny at all) is that I avoided the feminism section because I believed it to be how it is portrayed in the media, full of feminazis and transphobics. I probably should of just taken a look for myself ages ago hmm*

Please do. I've not long started and I know you asked about my name, but it is because I do feel so passionate about this cause thanks to this site

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Exactly, me too. I haven't found the people making threats or being transphobic yet. All the of the unpleasant things I've read here are from people insulting women for questioning and being concerned.

Twitter really opened my eyes!!!

This is one of Martin Ponting's victims speaking about him being moved to a women's prison.

I think I would have a law stating that once you rape someone you cannot get gender reassignment surgery on the NHS and if any way you do get it, you can never be placed in a women's prison, women's refuge etc for the rest of your life.

This would target/protect against rapists, not trans people.

It's worth pointing out that TAs are very active on Twitter - and in LGBT groups, in diversity training in the police, NHS, schools - and they are silencing women's valid concerns and making it impossible to raise safeguarding issues, or go against the rhetoric in any way.

It is a fairly reasonable concern that a rapist with an intact penis (eg Martin Ponting) is being held in a women's prison. I would have thought that was obvious to almost anyone.

But the reaction on Twitter, for example, to this www.thesun.co.uk/news/6804433/transgender-lag-sexually-abused-four-female-prisoners-days-after-arriving-at-west-yorkshire-jail/ news story, wasn't horror that a sex offender had assaulted women in a prison. It was complaining about the language, and complaining that it implied all transwomen are sex offenders (it doesn't).

Trans ideology is riding roughshod over all safeguarding guidelines.

MN posters are the only people who are highlighting the seriousness of the problems gender ID is causing for women (ie women who were born female. So women rather than men who wish to be identified as women when it suits them).

Why is there no easily accessible news items or programmes covering this? Any news article I have seen regarding transwomen are about men and women who have undergone hormone treatment and surgery.

It's very apparent that not all transwomen have suffered gender dysmorphia. As the thing they want to get rid of is the very thing that makes them men - their penis!

Thank you mumsnetters for opening my eyes. I have always been sympathetic to people suffering gender dysmorphia.

What we are living now is far removed from a small minority of transfolk who would give anything to have the genitalia that matches the sex/gender they identify as.

In reply to OP. The bloke raped a baby with his penis. It seems he still has his penis? He's very much a bloke. Always has been and always will be.

Poor baby 😢 Hope the child is receiving the medical and psychological treatment s/he deserves.

I hope that evil bastard rots in jail among many penises. Hope it is terrified every day for the rest of it's life! I wish we didn't have to make sure he is given food and water. A bullet or noose would be more appropriate 🤬

Another story today with a crime committed by a transwoman yet recorded as being by a woman

www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-19/evie-amati-axe-attack-accused-wished-blows-inflicted-on-herself/10012660

I think only a minority of transwomen have gender dysphoria and there are plenty who don't. Quite what they're doing I don't know.

However, it annoys me to see comments that anyone with gender dysphoria would have the surgery and if they don't go through with it then it means there's no gender dysphoria. There will be people, whether male or female, who look at the surgery and in spite of their gender dysphoria decide that it's too much to go through.

Another story today with a crime committed by a transwoman yet recorded as being by a woman

That poor man, obviously nice and affable then suddenly hit in the face with an axe :(

That report reads as though the transwoman views themself as the victim.

He should not be in a women’s prison

This is an interesting article on the axe attacker, with a very valid point. Why bury the gender angle on crime when gender is one of the most prominant and current news items today?!

That report reads as though the transwoman views themself as the victim.

Of course they do. Total cluster b personality disorder right there.