To be disgusted by this?

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What if it had been another mother with a prank occupying the wheelchair space? Would she have felt entitled to ask her to move?

She had no right to demand a disabled person make way for her and that is what she is doing in the video. She may have booked the seat, Tanyalee wasn't disputing that and her husband was prepared to move to fix that problem. She hadn't booked the disabled space. That is not possible for a pram. She therefore had no right to stand there with her baby in her arms and demand a mobility scooter be dismantled - this model did not fold - because she didn't want to fold her pram,

Why do the able-bodied seem to think the disabled are somehow lesser citizens who must sit down, shut up and stop taking up space that proper people want?

Oh dear. Again?

Tanyalee Davis: More train trouble for disabled comedian
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-44910639

I just want to stick my 2 pence worth in here- I’ve been the Mum with a broken arm and a little baby. Flipping heck, that’s not an enviable situation. But I never once referred to myself as disabled by it. And I’d never have taken that spot, I’d have asked the train company how and who could be of assistance to me to ensure the safety of myself and my little one. The answer is usually (had to do two trips there and back) to pack light and a member of staff assists with little one to a seat.

Now, if I have to do the journey again it will be in a wheelchair as I have irreparable spinal problems and the joys that go with that. And I’d have my two kids and be travelling alone.
This poor woman and what she went through is yet another reason that I simply won’t do the journey. It’s unfair to make a disabled person go through that. I feel humiliated enough and on display when using a wheelchair or my crutches. People treat you like you’re public property by moving the wheelchair out of their way or demanding to know ‘what have you done to yourself then?!’

Nope. I’ll stay home thanks

Did she demand that though storm? It sounds like it was the guard who demanded it rather than the lady.

I read that earlier ally - it is very unfair that people with disabilities even have to book assistance at all. It was mentioned back thread, but it’s something which irks me. Train lines seem to think that because someone has a disability they must plan their entire life at least 24 hours in advance. What if you know what you’ll manage onnthat morning? Wheelchair/scooter access should be avaible on trains as standard, in whatever form it needs to take.

People treat you like you’re public property by moving the wheelchair out of their way or demanding to know ‘what have you done to yourself then?!’

Moving wheelchairs which don’t belong to you is terrible. I’ve been asked what’s wrong with my legs in the past when using my stick and it really baffled me. It was no one’s business but mine.

"I would say though, I don’t blame him for not liking being filmed."

Would you still not be blaming him for not liking being filmed if this was a race issue rather than a disability one.

Or would you be saying tough shit he brought it on himself

Moving wheelchairs which don’t belong to you is terrible

Even worse when the wheelchair is occupied, and people just move it without looking to see if it is occupied (never mind talking to the occupant). I've seen better handled baggage.

I really can't understand why scientists are struggling to develop invisibility cloaks. sit in a wheelchair, and you disappear from view. Even if you block something people refer to the chair rather than the person.

I read that earlier ally - it is very unfair that people with disabilities even have to book assistance at all

And borderline unlawful ... I don't consider it a "reasonable adjustment" (except when people mistakenly say "reasonable" instead of "cheapest possible - and even then we'll begrudge that.").

Able-bodied people can book seats online 24/7. Start becoming a nuisance, and it has to be a phone booking.

If I had time, it would be interesting to see if theres a FOI path to get the train companies to release the assessments they made under the DDA and work out what %age of their passengers are disabled and see how that squares with the %age of seats they offer.

If the UK were serious about disability rights, it would also become a slam-dunk criminal offence to abuse a facility provided under the DDA.

I recently had a bother on a train where I’d booked a seat and then they told us over the tannoy we had to move to another carriage. Great, but I’m hearing impaired so I couldn’t hear the whole message plus I had had enough bother getting myself on the train in the first place, I wasn’t best pleased at finding out I was going to have to walk the length of the train. I tweeted and they told me next time I should use assistance - but assistance wouldn’t have been available half way through the journey surely 🤷🏻‍♀️

I don’t understand how it’s not covered by the equalities act either 🤷🏻‍♀️

flaming there isn't any. Assistance isn't bookable for entire journeys.

I was forced off at an inaccessible station to get on (inaccessible) road transport and couldn't even get out of the station.

I'd booked assistance but, oddly enough, not at the station where the train broke down. I was stuck there until another arrived. I did snap at staff telling me to 'just try' and I'd be able to get to the coach they left me alone - as I'm not in a wheelchair I must be capable of steps really.

I complained and got ignored.

(I appreciate you know it's not bookable for entire journeys, I just didn't word that bit right!)

You can see why people have resorted to filming.............and there is mental gymnastics to disbelieve them even then.

Exactly. I was asked for proof. I had none. Even if you're travelling with someone they'll discount them as witnesses.

Sounds like they need to do some disability awareness training with their staff! Shocking!

You can see why people have resorted to filming.

Quite a few disabled folk have taken to wearing bodycams.