To be disgusted by this?

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-44858107

What if it had been another mother with a prank occupying the wheelchair space? Would she have felt entitled to ask her to move?

disabalism is not so big a crime as I found out when a (now ex) friend informed me it was okay to poke fun at my face (I suffer with repeated attacks of Bell's palsy and minor strokes) and I just need to get a sense of humour.

When I asked why she doesn't make racist jokes she informed me I was being disgusting even suggesting it.

Fuck pants you re contributing nothing to the discussion, just base language

Well, colour me simple Rosetti You are, of course quite right!!

Thank you, @SD1978. Complicated reality.

Becca i really dont understand why disabilism or abilism isnt seen as on a par with racism.

The day needs to come when our computers dont put a red line under the words.

Quite!

The thing that disablist people forget is that anyone, no matter how healthy, or rich, or successful is only one accident, one illness away from being disabled themselves.

Many of us on this thread I'm sure weren't born disabled, including myself.

I’m confused by all the different things I’ve read about this story.

The train guard was absolutely out of order from start to finish. But I read somewhere the mother couldn’t fold the pram or hold the baby because she had an injured arm.

It doesn’t make up for the atrocious behaviour of the guard at all, but I feel sorry for the mother. Both she and the lady with the scooter were in an impossible situation because there was only space for one pram/scooter.

I don’t know what the guard was thinking with the announcements etc though. It’s bizarre.

I struggle to commute as I have a load of invisible disabilities and im fairly young. The two combined make for unpleasant interactions.

She may not have been able to fold the pram, but could have asked the guard for help. But who would take a baby out that you couldn't lift up and hold? How would you deal with nappy changes or just crying?

It’s all going to get a lot worse after Brexit....

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/comment/brexit-liam-fox-disabled-people-department-for-international-trade-trade-bill-trade-deals-the-cbi-a8449471.html

Oh Good God Looks like one of the housing associations threatening to "confiscate" may have gone through with it.

Emily Thomas
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4h4 hours ago

Emily Thomas Retweeted Margaret Thomas

It’s not as though she can carry it up the stairs. There’s no lifts. Feel @PlusDane have a responsibility to provide storage for a disabled pensioner’s mobility scooter.

Emily Thomas added,
Margaret Thomas
@67_margaret
Disgusted with @PlusDane seizing mobility scooter belonging to disabled pensioner from large communal area. #heartless
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Emily Thomas
‏ @DrEmilybob

@PlusDane @MGreenwoodWW @SNewtonUK Awful news. Wirral pensioner has mobility scooter removed, despite letters from GP/physio. Scooter not an obstruction, and flammable component (battery) is removed and stored safely. This reduces her independence and puts her at risk #heartless

Went to the This Morning fb page to watch a clip of Tanyalee being interviewed.

Jesus Christ ...............some of the comments underneath

Wow, that This Morning page is really quite something. I am so saddened that people think like this.

Fuck pants you re contributing nothing to the discussion, just base language

WTF? And you are?

A broken arm is not a disability, I have Cerebral Palsy so I should fucking know.

As much as I agree a broken arm is not disability, I do think there has to be some goodwill, it’s not long term but it does make life difficult.

There’s a difference between holding a baby on a train for a long period of time to changing a nappy as well.

However, the lady in the scooter was there first - the guard should have found a better solution because what was done was out of order.

I’ve seen some horrendous comments on this on other sites, it’s saddening how people write about others with disabilities.

Yes it is sickening but what do you expect when the government peddles anti disabled shit policies (PIP is not trying to give more money to disabled people) and as do newspapers and other media demonize them calling them scourges wastes of space etc.

It is exactly how a certain campaign started in the 1930s in Germany targeting a certain group of people in the Newspapers etc. But the general public cares very little about history so do not recognize the signs when history is beginning to repeat itself.

It is exactly how a certain campaign started in the 1930s in Germany targeting a certain group of people in the Newspapers etc. But the general public cares very little about history so do not recognize the signs when history is beginning to repeat itself.

It's a dark day when people need to be reminded ...

from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4

This poster (from around 1938) reads: "60,000 Reichsmark is what this person suffering from a hereditary defect costs the People's community during his lifetime. Fellow citizen, that is your money too. Read '[A] New People', the monthly magazine of the Bureau for Race Politics of the NSDAP."

Unless it's a wind up, a poster in another thread currently running mentioned a local FB group that take photos of people using BB spaces and discuss how "disabled" they look. Presumably that's more acceptable than discussing how black they look

Someone else on thread said the lady with baby+broken arm had reservation for the very seat that Tanyalee was sitting in. If true, extra messy situation.

I think this is messy and there’s a lot to it (more than meets the eye) but it doesn’t excuse what happened. The guard was out of order what with the tannoy and forcing her out. I’d love to know what was going on in his head.

I would say though, I don’t blame him for not liking being filmed.

Strangely on the Channel 5 news fb page the comments have a lot more empathy than the This Morning one and Channel 5 is supposed to be more of a tabloidy channel.

There is also a comment on there saying that Arriva Northern Rail will not allow mobility scooters on their trains at all.

I’ve watched the full thing now - tanyalee says herself she was in the ladies seat.

Hopefully things will improve - public transport with a disability is horrendous and that situation should not have happened.

I’m interested about her saying there was no disability carriage - is that a standard class carriage with a wheelchair space?

So the disabled lady took the reserved seat of the lady with the broken arm and the baby and the mother cuold not fold her pram and presumably not hold hte baby either as her arm was broken.

The mother had booked the seat so in my view the mother trumps access to that seat for a start. That leaves the limited space - do you give it to the baby in its pram which the mother cannot hold due to her arm or to the mobility scooter whic has no one in it? Could they not have moved the disabled lady and her scooter down to the guard's van or some other space on the train to accommodate the scooter? I just feel the mother who booked a seat in this case should trump someone who has not booked a seat although I can see the issue - no space possible to be reserved for babies who have to stay in prams because the mother is temporarily disabled with a broken arm.

Tough one.

There was nowhere else for the scooter to go.

You're not allowed to leave a baby in a pram/pushchair, the pram/pushchair must always be collapsed and put in luggage rack and baby must be carried. The conditions of carriage are clear. If you can't manage you need someone to travel with you and help and that includes those parents with temporary or permenant disabilities. Our trains won't allow prams/pushchairs that can't be collapsed on, if you can't collapse it they might help but they aren't obliged to, if it won't collapse they won't let you on. They're very strict about it here because unless very lucky there's one wheelchair space only, there's no room where the driver/conductor are - it's a very small space.

Yes she had a right to the steat but not to the space where the scooter was.

I don't understand why no good samaritan didn't get involved to fold down the pram... I lift up/down bags for people all the time so I can put my bike in the actual bike space. I bet I could figure out how to fold down the pram.

I get impression it was Tanya who objected to moving her scooter (which was allowed to move somewhere else), or sitting on her scooter during journey (even though she evidently hadn't reserved a seat and there were no spare seats).

A person with good legs, who made T's choice to not reserve, would have had to stand during the journey. I lean towards thinking T could have been more accommodating.

The lady with the baby was holding it so that wasn’t an issue.

In the video she says her partner would have given the lady his seat.

I wonder if the lady had reserved the specific seat intending to use the accessible bay?

It’s a complete mess, there was luggage on the scooter as well. The wheelchair area was also in first class - this shouldn’t matter because wheelchairs/scooters trump seating class, but it does complicate it a bit.