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Has Trump Turned Traitor? Trump thread continued.

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TheClaws · 17/07/2018 11:24

The Trump-Putin Summit in Helsinki, coming so soon after Trump’s ally-crumbling display in Britain and at the EU, is still sinking in. Let’s just say: he’s in all kinds of shit. All the kompromat.

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Lweji · 23/07/2018 11:09

Or perhaps Putin predicted Trump would react in this manner to a bit of Iranian rhetoric

That's what I meant by Russian distraction.
Orchestrated one way or another by our Vlad.

Lweji · 23/07/2018 11:11

Maybe the popularity results were good when he tried to spat with N Korea and this is a rerun?

Or tensions are raised, then Don acts as the reasonable peace maker.

No imagination in the WH.

ohmymimi · 23/07/2018 13:33

Yeah? ......... No:
(He's like one of those fiddler crabs that has to wave a big claw just to get some attention.
commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Uca_perplexa_male_waving.gif#mw-jump-to-license)

'Wavering Rand sets off Supreme Court spectacle
The Kentucky Republican says he's genuinely undecided on whether to back Brett Kavanaugh. His vote could be decisive.'
www.politico.com/story/2018/07/23/kavanaugh-rand-paul-supreme-court-confirmation-senate-734228

ohmymimi · 23/07/2018 14:59

Looks like they are itching for trouble:
@HallieJackson
NEW: Bolton on @POTUS’s Iran tweet, via pool:
mobile.twitter.com/HallieJackson/status/1021389843371307009

www.nbc-2.com/story/38702787/pompeo-accuses-iranian-supreme-leader-of-profiting-from-95-billion-hedge-fund

ohmymimi · 23/07/2018 15:05

@peterbakernyt
Other than Bush 43, Trump has the highest approval rating within his own party at this stage of his tenure of the last nine presidents. ⁦*@MichaelCBender*
mobile.twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1021378146262806528

ohmymimi · 23/07/2018 15:17

@MichaelCBender

NEW: After the “most serious mistake of his presidency”, Donald Trump’s approval rating … is up.
mobile.twitter.com/MichaelCBender/status/1021138488559898625

The latest WSJ/NBC News poll here:
<a class="break-all" href="https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-approval-rating-inches-higher-buoyed-by-republican-support-1532293201?redirect=amp#click=t.co/DlCV16CHJo" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-approval-rating-inches-higher-buoyed-by-republican-support-1532293201?redirect=amp#click=t.co/DlCV16CHJo
Propping up Trump’s approval is support from an astounding 88% of Republicans
mobile.twitter.com/MichaelCBender/status/1021139317148848129

Trump once said he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and not lose any suppo
rters. A new WSJ/NBC poll, taken amid his controversial summit with Vladimir Putin, suggests his numbers may be bulletproof
mobile.twitter.com/MichaelCBender/status/1021139674465742849

@AshleyRParker
“When it comes to polling, Mr. Trump has proven to be a nesting doll of paradoxes.” @MichaelCBender w the new @WSJ poll story, where, it turns out — surprise — none of Trump’s supporters care about the latest Russia controversy.
mobile.twitter.com/AshleyRParker/status/1021139084713046021

ohmymimi · 23/07/2018 15:24

Yup:
Lawrence O'Donnell
@Lawrence
Honestly undecided means desperately seeking attention before falling worshipfully in line with Trump.

@thehill
Rand Paul: I'm "honestly undecided" on whether to vote for Trump's Supreme Court pick (link: hill.cm/3f4KkQN) hill.cm/3f4KkQN

mobile.twitter.com/Lawrence/status/1021396455679045636

ohmymimi · 23/07/2018 15:29

@DavidLammy
Steve Bannon is not only morally bankrupt, he's delusional if he thinks his 10-man think-tank of swivel-eyed loons can hijack our politics.

We've defeated the far-right in Europe before and we will do it again.
amp.thedailybeast.com/inside-bannons-plan-to-hijack-europe-for-the-far-right?__twitter_impression=true

Replying to @DavidLammy
But there's no room for complacency. Malevolent figures like Steve Bannon, Donald Trump, Nigel Farage & Marine Le Pen want to drag us into the gutter.

This is a crucial turning point in our history, where we must defend institutions like the EU, UN and NATO from their attacks.
mobile.twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1020777317369597952

ohmymimi · 23/07/2018 15:58

Was just wondering what has happened to Joseph Mifsud, apart from a poxy Foxy piece, this is the latest I could find. It also interesting on so e of the bit players
'Mifsud has virtually disappeared since his name was made public late last year. In their book, Roh and Pastor say that they last spoke to Mifsud by phone on January 13, 2018. Mifsud told them that he had been “set up,” according to the authors, and called Papadopoulos an “agent provocateur.” Mifsud had gone into hiding, he told them, after “the head of the Italian secret services contacted the President of LINK Campus, Vincenzo Scotti,” and recommended that Mifsud “disappear.” Since then, Mifsud “has been requested to hide, not to communicate, and not to speak to the press,” Roh and Pastor write. “He has been ‘put away’ and threatened to stay quiet.” '
www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/05/muellers-probe-is-more-expansive-than-it-seems/560255/

cozietoesie · 23/07/2018 16:49

Thanks, mimi. Interesting.

Gumpendorf · 23/07/2018 17:31

Trump may have high approval ratings from Repugs but the number of Repugs is shrinking and has likely shrunk more since 2017. So not a high number of Americans overall. Smile

The other thing that gets neglected here is that the Republican Party is fairly small. Per Pew Research, the share of Americans who identify as Republican dropped to 26% in 2017. That's tied (with 2009) for their lowest share in the past 25 years. https://pewrsr.ch/2JMrmV22*

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1021396229601873921

Gumpendorf · 23/07/2018 17:40

#BREAKING: Judge approves Mueller request to grant immunity to witnesses so they can testify against Manafort hill.cm/hLZYEhq twitter.com/thehill/status/1021433052311023616/photo/1

Gumpendorf · 23/07/2018 17:47

Interesting... she normally tries to avoid briefings.

A 2 PM Sarah Sanders briefing has been added to the schedule.
twitter.com/ddale8/status/1021432110765273089

PerkingFaintly · 23/07/2018 17:49

Thread from Nate Silver:
twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1019935521961922561

@ NateSilver538
Retweeted Axios
I don't like the trend of treating Trump's approval among GOP voters as the headline and his overall approval number as the subheadline.

Both are important, but the overall number is more important.

His approval among independents is also important, and rarely gets mentioned.
Nate Silver added,
Axios
Verified account
@ axios
NEW POLL: Republicans overwhelmingly back Trump's handling of press conference with Putin — 85% see election interference as a distraction.
www.axios.com/republicans-say-trump-did-fine-in-helsinki-5776322f-a483-4e21-b50c-028799b08367.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic

@ NateSilver538
Jul 19
For instance, if Trump has 40% approval, it could be because:
—He's lost some support among R's and is merely treading water among independents
—He polls great among R's, but really bad with indies, and maybe some anti-Trump conservatives no longer call themselves Republicans

@ NateSilver538
Jul 19
Are either of these cases obviously better or worse for Trump? ¯\(ツ)/¯ As far as forecasting general elections go, they're probably about the same. They're different from one another, so it's worth discussing. But the overall number should still be the headline.

Gumpendorf · 23/07/2018 17:52

As Across forecast, I think. Sorry GinGinThanks

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1021431001782915073

The Trump admin will seek to revoke California’s authority to regulate automobile emissions (including its mandate for electric car sales) in a proposed revision of Obama-era standards, sources tell Bloomberg. https://bloom.bg/2A15qpH

Gumpendorf · 23/07/2018 17:58

Thanks Perking. Mathematically, Nate Silver has lost me easy to do.

So he's saying it makes no overalls difference to Trump's support if Republicans rebadge themselves Independent because they don't approve of Trump? Confused

AcrossthePond55 · 23/07/2018 18:03

As Across forecast, I think. Sorry

"See, I Toldja So!!" I'd put a grin emoji but it's not really funny, is it?

Hopefully, the 9th circuit will shut that down pronto.

Gumpendorf · 23/07/2018 18:05

twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1021436802685636608

Family reunifications: 450 down, roughly 1,900 to go by Thursday cnn.it/2uK9QfI twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1021436802685636608/photo/1

Gumpendorf · 23/07/2018 18:06

No, not funny. It's vindictive. Angry

PerkingFaintly · 23/07/2018 18:44

So he's saying it makes no overalls difference to Trump's support if Republicans rebadge themselves Independent because they don't approve of Trump?

That's right.

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