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Has Trump Turned Traitor? Trump thread continued.

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TheClaws · 17/07/2018 11:24

The Trump-Putin Summit in Helsinki, coming so soon after Trump’s ally-crumbling display in Britain and at the EU, is still sinking in. Let’s just say: he’s in all kinds of shit. All the kompromat.

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ohmymimi · 22/07/2018 10:07

Thank you for all those lovely links, lion, plenty to get our teeth into Smile

ohmymimi · 22/07/2018 10:20

Oh:
@kaitlancollins
Important to remember Trump waived privilege on the recording. It had been deemed privileged by a special master, but one of his lawyers sent a letter to the special master asking to withdraw the privilege, giving the FBI access to it.
(link: www.cnn.com/2018/07/20/politics/michael-cohen-donald-trump-playboy-model-recording/index.html) cnn.com/2018/07/20/pol…

@realDonaldTrump
Inconceivable that the government would break into a lawyer’s office (early in the morning) - almost unheard of. Even more inconceivable that a lawyer would tape a client - totally unheard of & perhaps illegal. The good news is that your favorite President did nothing wrong!
mobile.twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1020664645974142976

'The President has waived privilege on the McDougal recording, said two sources briefed on legal discussions surrounding the materials seized in April.

The recording had been deemed privileged by a former federal judge, known as a special master, one of the sources said, adding that Trump's lawyers have sent a letter to the special master asking to withdraw the privilege. This gives the government access to the recording as part of the US attorney for the Southern District of New York investigation into Cohen.'
amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/07/20/politics/michael-cohen-donald-trump-playboy-model-recording/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

PerkingFaintly · 22/07/2018 11:50

Good questions, mackerella.

About this bit:
Because otherwise we're perilously close to concluding again that all Republicans are selfish, and I don't really want to go down that line of argument again...

I think we just don't take the bait of imagining that all Republicans are like Bannon, or are alt-right.

Rod Rosenstein, for example, is a registered Republican; Jim Comey has been for much of his life, too. Neither appear to share all (any?) of Bannon's values or intent.

And this is generally true. I don't even know how most of my friends vote. We may have similar values, but differ in the best way to put those into action.

I don't doubt that alt-righters like Bannon would love to persuade the moderate middle that anyone who goes for the right-leaning party, the Republicans, is exactly the same as him and he speaks for them and an attack on him is an attack on them... but it ain't true.

ohmymimi · 22/07/2018 12:01

Oo!:
Kate Brannen
@K8brannen
Steele grew frustrated w/ the FBI after Comey alerted Congress the FBI was reopening its inquiry into Clinton's emails in October 2016. Steele went to the press w/ Trump info & the FBI cut him off because of it, even though they assessed his info reliable.
Replying to @K8brannen
There sure are a lot of legs to this centipede.
@BadPacifist
Millipede
mobile.twitter.com/K8brannen/status/1020801588099780609

(Lots of shoes still to drop then Grin )

PerkingFaintly · 22/07/2018 12:03

Grin Shoes!

ohmymimi · 22/07/2018 12:03

Interesting thread:
Julian Sanchez
@normative
Making my way through the Carter Page FISA application. First thing that jumps out: They went straight for “knowingly engages in clandestine intelligence activities”; I’d thought they might have leaned on the “aids or abets” definition of a foreign agent.
mobile.twitter.com/normative/status/1020803498957582336

ohmymimi · 22/07/2018 12:07

Hope they're stilettos Across Wink

lionheart · 22/07/2018 13:47

Donald J. Trump

Verified account

@realDonaldTrump

Andrew McCarthy - “I said this could never happen. This is so bad that they should be looking at the judges who signed off on this stuff, not just the people who gave it. It is so bad it screams out at you.” On the whole FISA scam which led to the rigged Mueller Witch Hunt!

lionheart · 22/07/2018 14:41

Sunday morning. Looks like Trump is awake.

Donald J. Trump

Verified account

@realDonaldTrump

.@PeteHegseth on @FoxNews “Source #1 was the (Fake) Dossier. Yes, the Dirty Dossier, paid for by Democrats as a hit piece against Trump, and looking for information that could discredit Candidate #1 Trump. Carter Page was just the foot to surveil the Trump campaign...” ILLEGAL!

lionheart · 22/07/2018 14:48

Yes, there are Republicans who are repulsed by Trumpy. How many and how effective they might be is yet another question.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/22/conservative-despair-republicans-trump

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/22/putin-summit-trump-republican-support

BoreOfWhabylon · 22/07/2018 17:15

twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1021028338423377920?s=21

We need all the laughs we can get!

AcrossthePond55 · 22/07/2018 17:28

Quite the Scrotus twitter storm today, no? Hmmm, what's he worried about that might be coming down the pike?

That chicken balloon!!! Almost makes me want to drive into the City just to point and laugh. But that's OK, I'll wait until it's the real thing. Wink

ohmymimi · 22/07/2018 19:07

@CarolLeonnig
To those who want to read for themselves, here your go, and esp page 16: (link: assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4614708/Carter-Page-FISA-Application.pdf) assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4614…

@CarolLeonnig
Trump says FISA docs prove FBI probe was crooked.
Nearly every intel reporter who read them concluded the opposite. (link: twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1020978929736265729) twitter.com/realDonaldTrum…

mobile.twitter.com/CarolLeonnig/status/1021041332788264961

ohmymimi · 22/07/2018 19:09

@peterbakernyt
Trump grumbled about the tough question asked by ⁦*@JonLemire⁩ in Helsinki and wondered why another reporter who would have asked a softball had not been called on. ⁦*@AshleyRParker⁩ ⁦*@PhilipRucker⁩ ⁦*@jdawsey1⁩ ⁦*@CarolLeonnig*
<a class="break-all" href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/trumps-putin-fallout-inside-the-white-houses-tumultuous-week-of-walk-backs/2018/07/20/7cfdfc34-8c3d-11e8-8b20-60521f27434e_story.html#click=t.co/jLTU3k2W3A" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/trumps-putin-fallout-inside-the-white-houses-tumultuous-week-of-walk-backs/2018/07/20/7cfdfc34-8c3d-11e8-8b20-60521f27434e_story.html#click=t.co/jLTU3k2W3A
mobile.twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1021044767256383490

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