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Has Trump Turned Traitor? Trump thread continued.

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TheClaws · 17/07/2018 11:24

The Trump-Putin Summit in Helsinki, coming so soon after Trump’s ally-crumbling display in Britain and at the EU, is still sinking in. Let’s just say: he’s in all kinds of shit. All the kompromat.

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BolleauxtoBankers · 19/07/2018 19:49

Apologies if you've already seen this.
Comey - History has its eyes on us. No 20-20 vision in hindsight, please.

Anniegetyourgun · 19/07/2018 20:12

what are you going to cry about when trump gets re elected ?

He didn't get elected the first time.

AcrossthePond55 · 19/07/2018 20:29

Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha. Another reason I love Reddit.

ohmymimi · 19/07/2018 21:18
Grin
lionheart · 19/07/2018 21:20

If all goes to plan, I shall be able to watch this from somewhere close to here. Smile

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lionheart · 19/07/2018 21:56

Annie. Smile

Lweji · 19/07/2018 22:22

Schroedinger President. We won't know if he believes Putin or his own Intelligence people until he's impeached.

lionheart · 19/07/2018 22:33

Yes.

CanadianJohn · 19/07/2018 23:31

This editorial in the Toronto Globe and Mail sums up the situation:

Unlike so many other commentators commenting on U.S. President Donald Trump’s comments in Helsinki regarding his unquestionably somewhat full-throated tepid support for his current country’s intelligence services, we refuse to not jump to any inconclusive conclusions and are willing to see every side of the story from his standpoint alone.

It’s simply very difficult not to see that Mr. Trump obviously wasn’t saying what he didn’t mean when he misspoke correctly in Helsinki to the effect that he didn’t see any reason why it would be Russia that carried out Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. election campaign – an election the President handily didn’t lose because he got the majority of the unpopular vote, we remind you.

Not even the least unsmart person couldn’t have seen that what Mr. Trump meant was that he did see a reason why it wouldn’t have been Russia that perpetrated Russian interference in the election he didn’t not win, but that he didn’t really want to not go there, what with the democratically elected president of Russia not right next to him, and instead being stuck beside Vladimir Putin, the very dictator who is definitely not pulling the puppet strings that are not attached to his body.

To his millions of very, very few naysayers, we point out that Mr. Trump completely clarified his thoughts pretty good the next day when he recited in a totally non-unspontaneous way the words, “I accept our intelligence community’s conclusion that Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election took place. Could be other people also. There’s a lot of people out there. Uh, there was no collusion!"

What could impossibly be unclearer? Can we not now drop this frivolous matter of critical importance and let Mr. Trump get on with the job he was barely elected to do; that is, of putting ironic quotation marks around such words as “presidential," “truth," “fact” and “ally”? Wouldn’t that be better for every single one of us who is currently the President of the United States? As he himself might put it, we don’t see any reason why it would be.

Apileofballyhoo · 19/07/2018 23:33

That's brilliant.

BoreOfWhabylon · 19/07/2018 23:57
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AcrossthePond55 · 20/07/2018 00:55

That editorial is hilarious. And sad. Because it's an exact representation of Scrotus.

AcrossthePond55 · 20/07/2018 00:58

Oh, and thank God that Bounds' nomination was withdrawn. I live in the 9th judicial district and I was scared shitless to see the balance in our normally liberal leaning court shift the other way.

Bounds being appointed to our bench would have paved the way for California to lose a great many of our environmental protection and fair labour laws.

TheClaws · 20/07/2018 01:02

Trump posted a truncated Hillary video from Russian State Media in his twitter feed a few hours ago. It leaves out all context so, by Trump standards, is the very definition of ‘fake’, or at least deceptive. Clinton herself replied to the tweet saying that it was recorded during Medvedev’s presidency anyway - and posted a clip where she is discussing Putin. Smile

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Will the Dems and Fake News ever learn? This is classic!

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TheClaws · 20/07/2018 01:05

Communication lines are broken; regular rules and guidelines of trust cannot be depended upon.

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Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats learned that Trump had invited Putin to the White House this fall when Andrea Mitchell broke the news to him on live TV.

His response: "Say that again? Did I hear you right?"

shareblue.com/trump-putin-white-house-visit-director-of-national-intelligence-dan-coats-aspen-security-forum/

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Quantumblue · 20/07/2018 01:46

This watching the US slide into Fascism in real time is turning into one of the key events in my long lifetime.
Unbelieveable.

TheClaws · 20/07/2018 03:57

Make sure to enlarge the image. Jester’s tweet also linked directly to Torshin’s Twitter, but I’ve left that off for the sake of anyone who is a bit twitchy about these things. You never know, I suppose, do you?

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This is a translated tweet sent by Alexander Torshin (Russian banker tied to Putin) in February 2016. Read it at least twice. Original link: twitter.com/torshin_ru/status/698742761160368128

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TheClaws · 20/07/2018 04:00

This isn’t a good thought.

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wow. Per @bpolitics, Putin told Russian diplomats he & Trump discussed the possibility of holding a referendum in Russian separatist-controlled Eastern Ukraine (which would be used to justify Russia's illegal invasion), but Trump asked him not to disclose the plan publicly.

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TheClaws · 20/07/2018 04:06

The odd thing to me, Quantum, is that is so believable. That the reason I’ve been here from the start. Nothing much surprises me any more - I’ve worked out there is little limit to what Trump feels he can do.

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Roussette · 20/07/2018 06:55

I agree Claws and if Obama had done one tenth of what Trump has done, there would be calls for impeachment. The NewYorker article lion has linked to, sums it all up.
What the hell has Trump agreed to with Putin? No one knows. His advisers don't know, no one does. It's only because he can't keep his gob shut, we realise Montenegro was mentioned apart from lots of other things. The thing is... Putin is a clever manipulator, ex KGB, high intelligence no doubt And Trump is thick and needy. A very stupid man with a clever manipulator, what can go wrong...

BolleauxtoBankers · 20/07/2018 10:08

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