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Has Trump Turned Traitor? Trump thread continued.

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TheClaws · 17/07/2018 11:24

The Trump-Putin Summit in Helsinki, coming so soon after Trump’s ally-crumbling display in Britain and at the EU, is still sinking in. Let’s just say: he’s in all kinds of shit. All the kompromat.

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mackerella · 20/07/2018 12:46

This is one of the most fucking depressing things I've read recently (and there's been a lot of competition). Some excerpts:

Some 79% of Republicans approved of his handling of the Russian president at the post-summit press conference, according to an Axios/ SurveyMonkey poll of 2,100 people. An even higher share, 85%, think the justice department investigation into Russia’s meddling in US elections is a distraction.
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There is little reason to believe that a Putin sequel will be a deal breaker for rank and file Republicans. While the conventional wisdom on Monday held that Trump was “Putin’s puppet”, many Americans were consuming a different narrative. The Fox News host Sean Hannity told the president in an interview that night: “You were very strong at the end of that press conference.” The show had about 4 million viewers, well ahead of other cable news networks.
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Indeed, even if special counsel Robert Mueller produces evidence of collusion between Trump and Russia, it might not be terminal in the current hyperpartisan climate. Not everyone thinks that Putin’s meddling in the 2016 election was necessarily a bad thing. “I’ll try not to sound too awful, but I want to thank the Russians for interfering with our election to stop Hillary Clinton from becoming president,” said one caller to the C-Span network during Monday’s summit.

Do Republicans disapprove of Trump's meeting with Putin? 'They couldn't care less'

Basically, the article casts the base as low information and apathetic (which we knew already) but draws the conclusion that therefore nothing will be big enough to change their minds, especially as the white evangelicals will overlook literally anything if it gets them another Supreme Court seat. Sad

mackerella · 20/07/2018 12:51

I guess I keep thinking, "Surely this will prove the final straw", but I'm coming to think that nothing will. If you're resistant to reason and information, if all you watch is Fox News, if you literally don't give a shot about the robustness and transparency of your democratic system ... well, why wouldn't you think that Trump is doing a splendid job? I'm starting to think that, not only will none of the existing dirt stick, but that Trump will end up winning a second term in 2020 (and possibly third and fourth ones in 2024 and 2028, since Republican voters clearly don't give a fig for democratic norms).

I'd love to be talked out of this! But I genuinely can't see any sign that these people can be swayed. And if Russia is given carte blanche to interfere in future elections, well...

ohmymimi · 20/07/2018 12:58

I think that's a quote from Mary Lou, on C- SPAN , mackerella , a real insight into Cult45's 'reality'. There is no way to rationalise with these people.
www.c-span.org/video/?c4740359/mary-lou

ohmymimi · 20/07/2018 13:06

I don't think there is going to be a 'gotcha' moment while the Oaf is in office. It will then be up to the justice system, but he's skated his whole life, so I'm not confident of any satisfying comeuppance.

ohmymimi · 20/07/2018 13:27

www.c-span.org/video/?c4740359/mary-lou

ohmymimi · 20/07/2018 13:30

Ignore last post, no idea how that happened!
Thanksgiving at the WH 2018.
ttps://mobile.twitter.com/ChristiAnne67/status/1020222205240795137

ohmymimi · 20/07/2018 13:34

Never been held to account, and still not being held to account:
mobile.twitter.com/katierogers/status/1020119722619228160/photo/1
mobile.twitter.com/katierogers/status/1020119722619228160

AcrossthePond55 · 20/07/2018 14:08

I'm starting to think that, not only will none of the existing dirt stick, but that Trump will end up winning a second term in 2020 (and possibly third and fourth ones in 2024 and 2028, since Republican voters clearly don't give a fig for democratic norms).

The XXII amendment to the Constitution limits a president to two terms, thank God. Of course that's not to say there isn't a mechanism for changing the Constitution, but luckily it's time consuming and not that easy to do. A change requires 3/4 of the states to ratify and as a rule they give the states 7 years to cast their vote.

Of course, if a totalitarian regime is instituted all bets are off.

mackerella · 20/07/2018 14:33

I know there are term limits, Across - that was my point! If he just decides he's going to be President for Life, who is really going to stop him? 'Cause I don't think Congress will... Hmm

mackerella · 20/07/2018 14:34

Checks and balances only work while people are willing to uphold them Sad

HappydaysArehere · 20/07/2018 14:45

The most amazing thing to be established is the question “how is he not impeached”. He makesNixon look Lilly white.

PerkingFaintly · 20/07/2018 14:55

“I’ll try not to sound too awful, but I want to thank the Russians for interfering with our election to stop Hillary Clinton from becoming president,” said one caller to the C-Span network during Monday’s summit.

Which goes to show that it's more important to make the electorate hate the other options, than to make them like you.

That and voter suppression are going to be the big stories of future elections.

ohmymimi · 20/07/2018 15:26

@RobertFaturechi
I watched the post-Access Hollywood presidential debate with Brian Kemp at a Kansas hunting lodge. (He didn't realize I was a reporter.) He joked "Trump should have gone over there and groped her!" to a room of corporate donors and other secretaries of state.
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Brian Kemp is running for Governor of the great state of Georgia. The Primary is on Tuesday. Brian is tough on crime, strong on the border and illegal immigration. He loves our Military and our Vets and protects our Second Amendment. I give him my full and total endorsement.

mobile.twitter.com/RobertFaturechi/status/1020108330415640576

ohmymimi · 20/07/2018 15:29

Jennifer Cohn
Jennifer Cohn
@jennycohn1
Russian ambassador Kislyak visited Kennesaw University, which housed Georgia’s Election Center, in April 2016. In August, a white hat hacker discovered the Center had left its election files online w/o password protection! And that’s not all...
mobile.twitter.com/jennycohn1/status/1017165933704458240

ohmymimi · 20/07/2018 15:39

Venture Capital
@kelly2277
😳Trump purchased Diebold Hackable Voting Machine Stock after they changed name to BlackRock following huge DOJ fine for RU -China bribes‼️
Lovetogive2
@lovetogive2
Replying to @lovetogive2, @freepressfree, and @MrFelt_
"Trump believes in #BlackRock (BLK)-has $25-$50 million in NYC investment giant BlackRock's Obsidian fund" link: www.thestreet.com/amp/story/13229823/1/donald-trump-ignores-his-friend-carl-icahns-warning-on-blackrock.html thestreet.com/amp/story/1322…
mobile.twitter.com/kelly2277/status/910030057103437825

Venture Capital
@kelly2277
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💻📱Were voter rolls & voter machines hacked to tip vote⁉️

Venture Capital
@kelly2277
💻📱Did Diebold sellout US to the Russians⁉️ They paid out $50M in fines when DOJ found they paid bribes👇 link: www.justice.gov/opa/pr/diebold-incorporated-resolves-foreign-corrupt-practices-act-investigation-and-agrees-pay-252 justice.gov/opa/pr/diebold…
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mobile.twitter.com/kelly2277/status/909888418771021825

www.justice.gov/opa/pr/diebold-incorporated-resolves-foreign-corrupt-practices-act-investigation-and-agrees-pay-252

ohmymimi · 20/07/2018 15:54

Alayna Treene
@alaynatreene
Sources close to Trump tell @jonathanvswan that they're already speculating about whether Trump ends up firing Coats. Per a source with knowledge, Trump has never had much affection for Coats, and this interview with @mitchellreports won't help
www.axios.com/dan-coats-andrea-mitchell-trump-putin-summit-d32ddf44-a17e-43f9-91b4-f54fbb5d7a68.html

mobile.twitter.com/alaynatreene/status/1020053661404336128

ohmymimi · 20/07/2018 16:03

Andrea Mitchell
@mitchellreports
DNI Coats is putting his job on the line by speaking truth to power. A former ambassador and twice elected to the Senate— he seems determined to keep politics out of the Intel agencies- as long as he is there. More on @TODAYshow
mobile.twitter.com/mitchellreports/status/1020264832736681985

ohmymimi · 20/07/2018 16:05

Mark Murray
Mark Murray
@mmurraypolitics
Replying to @mmurraypolitics and @mitchellreports
And a sitting Republican congressman saying in a NYT op-ed that the GOP president is being manipulated by Putin is just as extraordinary/crazy (link: www.nytimes.com/2018/07/19/opinion/trump-russia-putin-republican-congress.html) nytimes.com/2018/07/19/opi…
mobile.twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/1020293736818008064

ohmymimi · 20/07/2018 16:08

Corrected link:
link: www.nytimes.com/2018/07/19/opinion/trump-russia-putin-republican-congress.html

ohmymimi · 20/07/2018 16:23

The parallel universe that is the WH: a little is a lot, bad is good, failure is success, treason is patriotism, lies are truth.

amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/07/20/politics/marc-short-white-house-congress-exit/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

Sleipnirthewonderhorse · 20/07/2018 17:01

Breaking News: President Trump’s lawyer, Michael Cohen, secretly recorded Trump before the 2016 election discussing payments to a former Playboy model
mobile.twitter.com/nytimes/status/1020332899164475392

ohmymimi · 20/07/2018 17:17

Breaking in Huff. Post: Cohen recorded the Oaf discussing payments to Playboy model.