They attacked Alison Moyet when she objected to being called a cis woman...

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I find this astonishing ... I'm a huge fan of Alison Moyet's and she has been so supportive of the LGBT community....

You can identify as anything you want these days, except as a woman. Consider what happened to British singer Alison Moyet. Last week, on Twitter, she said she didn’t want to be known as a cis-woman, just as a woman. ‘I defend everyone’s right to have the pronoun that they choose and will honour it’, she diplomatically said. And ‘I do not choose Cis for mine’, she continued. ‘It took women like me long enough to own the title “woman” in the first place. It’s a long enough word for me.’ The response to this calm, clear, polite act of self-definition? Fury. And insult. And abuse. On such a voluble level that Moyet eventually recanted her linguistic heresy, deleted her tweet, and left Twitter."

Rest of article is here
spiked-online.com/newsite/article/trans-activism-is-now-just-misogyny-in-drag#.W0x7Ha2ZPNA

Moyet's response to being called cis was quite gentle. Yet she got attacked on twitter with a pile of hate tweets and eventually gave up after being assertive but not aggressive with comments like
"I will name you as you identify. Must you afford me less?"

How could they do this?

I’m going to call my dh ‘cis’ and ask him how he feels.

I’ve done the gender questionnaires on the ‘net and apparently I’m a lumberjack called Dave and I’m married with 3 kids and a dog. I drive a silver pick up truck and make model airplanes in my spare time 😄

I have yet to tell dh that he’s actually gay and will need to start thinking about changing his gender 🤪

As I said on the other thread about this, it’s rare to hear the word ‘cis-man’ but ‘cis-woman’ is becoming common in mainstream feminist comment (Jezebel, the Guardian etc). It’s pure misogyny, plain and simple. Eroding women’s lived experiences to indulge a male fetish / fantasy / delusion / genuine dsyphoria that occurs in a small minority of people born male.

@Hillstreamloach Mon 16-Jul-18 14:32:15
The odd thing is if she insisted on calling people trans-women they would hate that.

If we are supposed to now be cis-women, what do they want to be called then? Women?

Apparently, yes, we are either cis-women or non-men

Meant to add
Yes, they want to be called women, because they feel like women

Wasn't it Germaine Greer who said that men who wanted to be women were just cissies?

Would it be very rude to start calling such men 'cissies'? As in "you're the cissie, not me"

Asking for a friend.

I really dislike the term cis, and don't accept it as anything to do with me. Moyet all the way

Women and men are just that.

The idea of a separate classification is baffling, really. Surely if you transition you don't want to be in a system that labels people trans and non-trans anyway? Isn't the whole point to end up addressed as a man or woman per your decision? I've known some trans people in my life and have never heard any of them express a preference for a separate classification.

Which makes me suspicious of some trans activists.

I saw the Twitter pile on it was awful.

Alison Moyet has been an LGBT ally for decades, longer than some of those giving her a kicking on Twitter have been alive. This just demonstrates nothing women do will ever be enough.

I’ve asked around in my office once. No one had heard of the term Cis.

I’m a woman, not a Cis woman.

Yes, they want to be called women, because they feel like women

I'd like to know how the fuck they know what women "feel" like. I am not "aware" of being a woman, any more than a fish is "aware" that it is swimming in water. I am what I am (If I may paraphrase that great philosopher, Popeye).

Having said that, this (chromosomal specific) woman is feeling bloody angry at the moment! How can a few attention-seeking gobshites cause so much trouble for so many people?

(Interesting little fact about the House of Lords and inheritance, though. Well spotted, that wumman*.)

*I always feel this seems so much more emphatic than the mere term "woman".

Alison Moyet was utterly reasonable and she was abused by frothing TRAs. Twitter is so shit sometimes.

I support Moyet.

Great post toomuch.

I've heard men refer to themselves as 'cisgender' - so far every one has been a part of the gender identity services.

My guess when AM said 'woman like me' - well, I remember her appearing on Top Of The Pops in her orange flat top, huge dark garment (still not sure what it was), DMs, piercings, inner eyeliner, rock hard stare at the camera and then she unleashed that voice on the nation like an attack siren in 'Don't Go'. For me it was the 80s equivalent of David Bowie hugging whatsisname. Let's just say she wasn't performing femininity. She was so intensely female though. I wasn't that much of a fan of her music but I dressed as near as i dared like her for most of the 80s.

I don't stand with people exactly but I won't take cis from anyone.

I support Alison Moyet. I will never use/ accept the word cis.

Women are subjugated and controlled because of our reproductive role as a class, to provide the next generation of heirs and humans. Not because of our gender identity

Preach it. I'm so butch I could identify as non-binary and I wouldn't even need to buy any new shoes . Doesn't make any difference, once you start using your uterus you're still in the same world as every other woman - underfunded maternity services, mummy track career death, very little help with recurrent miscarriage or infertility, and if you do manage to have your kids you're sent home to "recover" with no help and your other half goes back to work after 10 days and society will totally support him if he lets you do all the night wakings. He's working, you see. You're only at home. Never mind the fact that we all worked as well, and we know exactly what a doss it is compared to looking after a baby (day and night). As it turns out, an aversion to the colour pink and a preference for statistics and working with robots, better spatial than social awareness and a cupboard empty of high-heeled shoes made fuck all difference to any of that.

Andi Oliver has picked this up and come out with the same sentiment as Alison Moyet, possibly via Graham Linehan's Twitter feed. I'm with them - cis means sweet FA to me. I have no idea what a gender identity is, or what it means to 'feel' like a woman (though perhaps Shania Twain might help?). I just am one.

wumman...I always feel this seems so much more emphatic than the mere term "woman"

Just reading that makes me want to cross my arms over an ample bosom and shout at a wean to come in for their dinner

Men are never happy are they? Can't be a real man, can't be a real woman, so they have to get ultra nasty as they cannot get 'perfection'.
No one talks like this in my rural area, must be a London thing.

I worry that the term ‘cis’ is becoming normalised amongst teens/twenty-somethings. Just looking at the Twitter accounts of younger female relatives (mainly uni students) and they are all using ‘cis’ in descriptions of themselves, without really questioning it.

I'm with Alison Moyet.

Have filled in the form about the changes to GRA too thanks for that link.

They have attacked an amazing, strong woman who has spent her whole adult life as a lgbt campaigner, ally and advocate. She has devoted more time energy, blood, sweat and tears to the cause than many others and they treated her with such venomous contempt and hatred.

I doubt many of them have done much of anything for the lgbt cause except going to pride to have a good time.

I am so upset and angry on her behalf. She made a polite request that she wished to be called a woman as cis upsets her and this is how she is treated.

I am with Alison Moyet. I am a woman, I have no wish to be called cis. Please give her, me and every other person who dislikes the prefix the respect we deserve when we ask you not to call us it, just as we give you the respect when we call you by your chosen name.

YANBU.

I'm a woman.

I think they might be projecting 🤔