They attacked Alison Moyet when she objected to being called a cis woman...

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I find this astonishing ... I'm a huge fan of Alison Moyet's and she has been so supportive of the LGBT community....

You can identify as anything you want these days, except as a woman. Consider what happened to British singer Alison Moyet. Last week, on Twitter, she said she didn’t want to be known as a cis-woman, just as a woman. ‘I defend everyone’s right to have the pronoun that they choose and will honour it’, she diplomatically said. And ‘I do not choose Cis for mine’, she continued. ‘It took women like me long enough to own the title “woman” in the first place. It’s a long enough word for me.’ The response to this calm, clear, polite act of self-definition? Fury. And insult. And abuse. On such a voluble level that Moyet eventually recanted her linguistic heresy, deleted her tweet, and left Twitter."

Rest of article is here
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Moyet's response to being called cis was quite gentle. Yet she got attacked on twitter with a pile of hate tweets and eventually gave up after being assertive but not aggressive with comments like
"I will name you as you identify. Must you afford me less?"

How could they do this?

I stand with Alison Moyet.

Cis is as meaningless as TERF.

And I agree with every word @CeridwensCottage has written above.

Cis is some obscure term that chemists use.

The trans community probably think they’re so hip and cool thinking up an alternative term for us, whereas they’re just regarded as pathetic and rather feeble by everyone else.

The young. What are they like eh? Those of us who’re older have seen it all before. Angry Young Men in the 60s etc.

Cis (pronounced sis) means you identify as the same gender you were assigned at birth.

I find it offensive, demeaning and insulting. I am an adult female, a woman...no further modifications needed or wanted in the description thankyou very much!

"It took women like me long enough to own the title “woman” in the first place."

What did she mean by "women like me"?

I'm a woman.

I am not cis.

Do not demand that I respect your identity, then insist on imposing one on me.

Cis is some obscure term that chemists use

We use to describe types of isomer (two configurations of the same formula, cis being same side of the double bond, trans opposite sides)

Br H H H
\/ \/
-- --
/ \ /

H Br Br Br

trans cis

The problem is that a lot of organisations are now using gender where they should be using sex. That means spaces that have previously been female only will become unisex by default - look at what’s happening with the girl guides and the Caledonian sleeper for example.

There’s a proposal to allow ‘self ID’ ie any man can identify as a woman with no surgery or hormone treatment and access women’s spaces - again this means previously female only spaces will become unisex, any man can walk in unchallenged and if you do challenge you’re the one committing a crime.

There’s a consultation out at the moment on all this - if this is something you feel strongly about you can fill it in.

Transpeople have the protection of the law under the equality act 2010- gender reassignment is one of the nine protected categories. Transpeople have the right to live their lives free from work discrimination etc.

However ALL the legislation that previously protected women is rolled into that one act now. All of it. And it’s under threat.

Sex is, for now, a protected characteristic but if self ID goes ahead it will set up a conflict with sex being an allowed protected characteristic.

If you feel strongly about this, you can fill out the consultation here: www.gov.uk/government/consultations/reform-of-the-gender-recognition-act-2004

It won't leave my formatting alone

Alison Moyet is bloody amazing and this is just one more reason why.

Say it like it is I am a women, a proud to be women. That is all I want to be called.

Let's change all the words that mention "woman" in songs, then, play them at their own pathetic game. How about...No Cis Wonan No Cry, When you're in Love with a beautiful Cis Woman,. I mean where do you draw the line. Absolutely fucking pathetic. When did all this madness start. I hope it backfires spectacularly on them.

The problem is that a lot of organisations are now using gender where they should be using sex.

THIS ^

"Sex" is a biological fact determined by your chromosomes.

"Gender" is a social construct to enable a controlling patriarchy to oppress women.

Inadequate men fear women, and now that women are achieving equality in many areas they look for ways to undermine their success and make things all about them again.

You can imagine the self congratulatory glee that the - insert name of duff university - chemistry students felt when one of them came up with this term. I bet they thought they were the mutts nuts 😂 I expect they were dining out on that for weeks.

I am so sorry that Alison Moyer was bombarded with such misogyny.

She is fucking right. I am a WOMAN. NOT A CIS woman.

I reject the label.

*Moyet

The violent abuse that occurs on social media when anyone questions PC dogma is horrifying. Am I the only one who fears it's likely to lead to a social backlash? A Handmaid's Tale world that none of us want?

coolncalm - they'd only argue you were transphobic, and tell you to die in a fire.

You'd have to be truly inclusive: "No cis woman, No transwoman, No cry"

Or - as written on a DykeMarch banner recently: ""No woman, No cis woman, No Cry."

Transwoman and ciswoman are just categories of women, according to transadvocates. Like black woman, or tall woman.

Cis means that you identify with the 'gender you were assigned at birth.' Some will tell you it just means 'not trans', but that's bullshit because adopting the prefix 'cis' implies that:

1. you buy into the idea that babies are 'assigned a gender' by parents/doctors/midwives, when in fact what happens is that the baby's sex is observed and recorded.
2. you buy into the idea that 'gender' is an inherent, internal sense of maleness or female mess, which informs or determines one's interests, aptitudes and preferences along masculine or feminine lines. When in fact feminist analysis recognises gender as a socially imposed hierarchy which uses enforcement of maculine/feminine stereotypes to keep girls and boys / women and men in their respective boxes, and to subjugate females.
3. To say that you identify with the gender you were assigned means, to a person who recognises what gender actually is, that you identify with a group of oppressive stereotypes and social conditions, and that your acceptance of / identification with the feminine gender role you've been assigned is actually what makes you a woman - not your vagina, womb, ovaries, xx chromosomes or any of the life experiences brought about by the fact that you have those things.

So you can either be trans/non binary, or you can be a 'cis' woman who identifies with the feminine gender role. Either way, you have to abandon any analysis of gender roles as problematic or sexist or oppressive and accept the ideology. You cannot define yourself as a woman who objects to being constrained by socially imposed gender rules, and therefore cannot be considered 'cis'. That is not allowed.

insomniac I think she was referring to the sorts of things people said about her growing up - one of her other tweets that night said something like ‘if you’d been a butch girl growing up in the 1970s you’d know the importance of being able to state you had a vagina’ (paraphrasing - apologies to AM for my inaccurate memory)

• femaleness, not female mess

Though it is a messy business at times.

Cis is an unequal term as well as to use it about anyone makes a set of assumptions about them

The first assumption is about their biological sex and genitals: apparently we are not allowed to discuss or question the genitals or surgical status of someone with a trans identity: however the term cis explicitly links the persons biology/sex/genitals to their identity, and assumes they have the phenotypic characteristics of their sex.

The second assumption is that the person being referred to as cis has a gender identity. I think I probably feel the same way as many posters on here: I dont have a gender identity, I am just me, a person, with the mind and body that biology dictated and my experiences have developed.

The third assertion is that not only do I have to have this internal sense of identity and identify with my societally imposed gender role, but also that it matches with my genotypic/phenotypic sex. As someone who has spent a lot of life either chafing against or ignoring gender roles its a pretty stupid and presumptuous assumption for another to make about me.

So I am with Alyson Moyet here: dont call me cis, its a useless and pointless word that has been imposed without consent, to describe your preconceptions about my identity.

If you reserve the right to assert your own identity/define yourself without reference to reality, biology or sex then at least show others the same courtesy.

YANBU. I stand with Alison Moyet. I am a woman

If folk want to identify as women, I do not mind, that is fine.I would treat a trans woman as a woman, but more specifically and first as a human being. I refuse, however, to alter my right to my gender as defined by the word 'woman'. I don't need a bit tacked on to appease others who are a bit unsure where they now fit in. I have trans friends and they are really liberal and kindly .

So they get coercively assigned male or female at birth but if we don't accept being coercively assigned cis, we should die in a fire or somesuch?

Ok then. Fuck off.

Honestly, nobody believes this crap 😂 I’ve told people at work about this and they’ve been “wtf?” 🤪

The govt are backtracking on their gender recognition plans due to the backlash from women.