To wonder how high the correlation is between Brexit supporters and Trump supporters

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The press conference with Theresa May and Donald Trump today was one of the most bizarre things I've ever witnessed.

There's no logic in what Trump says, whether that be a recorded newspaper interview was 'fake news' or that he'd been in power for 160 days.

It seems he literally doesn't care what the truth is, he just says things as they pop into his head.

I honestly can't see why people support him, but likewise, I honestly can't see why people support Brexit.

Both defy logic to me.

The common theme between the 2 is immigration though.

Do Leave voters agree with Trump?

Personally I think it’s worth the hit short-term to develop the potential to look for greater growth elsewhere.

Its nice to be well-off isn't it.

I have a friend who's being made redundant shortly. Company is moving to Spain. Brexit voters. Ooops. They are absolutely bewildered by this.

This is not a question that should be asked of Leave voters.

(Most have difficulty recognising themselves in a mirror.)

@MissionItsPossible

Do you think you are without any prejudice?

"And you thought Brexit - loved by multi-millionaire southerners Rees mogg Johnson Davis Gove and Farage would deliver that?

Unbelievable."

You say this as though remainers are all northerners living on the breadline. Is there a massive difference between those people and David Cameron, George Osborne, Gina Miller, Jeremy Hunt...?

@KennDodd

Yes I do.

And I’ve never heard of “I might be being racist without meaning to be”, it sounds rather like an excuse.

I voted Remain I am embarrassed by the sneering of many remain voters

During the referendum I learnt quite a bit about the EU not everything I was impressed by and what I understood is that it supports capitalism in a way that many who are more left wing or socialists wouldn’t naturally support though they may Support the concept of the EU

Yet many who claim to be left wing and socialist leaning are full on supporters of the EU which I find quite surprising

It is often quoted that the areas where there was the least amount of immigration voted leave it’s rarely quoted that these areas are also the most deprived with often very little investments in real jobs. Remain instead of listening made threats you will be poor - many were already poor that gamble was worth taking it wasn’t that surprising what happened many people were fed up hadn’t had a pay rise in years while the cost of living shot up. Governments had let them down and they got the chance for a real change and they took it

I don’t claim to know any better than leave voters I think there is very few of us who have enough understanding of the EU to have been given the chance to vote but that what we were given

It is often quoted that the areas where there was the least amount of immigration voted leave it’s rarely quoted that these areas are also the most deprived with often very little investments in real jobs

Any information on settlement figures must be treated with the upmost caution.

The government at the time had no means or way to count any one in, we know this and they messed up council budgets up and down the country. This very lack of foresight or counting in is why we have Brexit.
So If people are working under the radar. Live in shared lodgings with no agreements, only use A and E and do not claim benefits, how do you know who they are and where they are living. This is one reason there is dissonance between the reality on the ground the realty proposed by certain papers.

"Those that are Trump supporters are overwhelmingly racist and against immigration. This is not a goady statement, it is the truth. Those that voted leave voted that way for very similar reasons. Without knowing just how damaging for jobs, the economy, and social/cohesiveness. It was, like those who voted for Trump, a vote based on fear and base emotion rather than clarity of thought or reason."

Imagine if leavers simply dismissed all of your thoughts and concerns, all the reading and research that you've done by simply saying "those that voted remain did so because their friends suggested that if they didn't they might seem racist. They never really did any research, it was based totally on virtue signalling to their friends." Or "all remainers voted selfishly because they just wanted free data roaming on their mobile phones" etc.
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People talk about job losses when businesses move abroad. What about job losses when many of the unskilled workers of the EU move to Britain? Not to mention the cost of keeping people (if they have a family in terms of schooling/nhs etc). This doesn't affect me so didn't even enter into my decision making but I can see how it did for some people. What do others think to this? I've not given it much thought but it has just come to mind.

You say this as though remainers are all northerners living on the breadline. Is there a massive difference between those people and David Cameron, George Osborne, Gina Miller, Jeremy Hunt...?

Yeah I’d say there is a big difference between virtually all scientists, academics, businesspeople (apart from Wetherspoons and dyson) the civil service versus UKIP, edl, Putin and trump and Sheila and Derek retired from Brentwood.

But if you really do think the lives of poorer people are going to be improved by Brexit, tell me more. Good news is always welcome.

@MissionItsPossible

I can't believe any sensible, self aware person would think themselves completely prejudice free. I'm just going to ask again because I can't quite believe it. You think you have no prejudice? None whatsoever? Or do you think it's more likely, growing up in the world we do, that racism and sexism is so ingrained that we don't even see it. Never unconsciously referred to a pilot (or example) as 'he' without even noticing? Never done anything like that? And how would you know if you had? We do these things without thinking.

My mum thinks she's not racist and get hugely offended at the suggestion, and you should hear the casual racism she comes out with.

@missionitspossible everyone has a level of unconscious bias. There's a test you can do to see where your unconscious biases lie....google it. It's very American but facinating

@KennDodd You can ask me as many times and in as many ways as you want, you asked the question and I’ve already given my answer

Hi @Blaablaablaa can you link the test, I might take it :)

@GardenGeek

How to stop it?
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Remove Twitter.

It has been the cause of division in society, especially politically, because of the ability to literally block anything you don’t agree with away from your life. I have said this and people think i’m exaggerating but I don’t think it’s a coincidence that politics has become angry since Twitter has become more popular.

"Yeah I’d say there is a big difference between virtually all scientists, academics, businesspeople (apart from Wetherspoons and dyson) the civil service versus UKIP, edl, Putin and trump and Sheila and Derek retired from Brentwood.

But if you really do think the lives of poorer people are going to be improved by Brexit, tell me more. Good news is always welcome."

They're also all rich people. Potentially looking out for their own interests rather than those of the poor? You seem to frame many of your argument as though you're some sort of defender for the poor but you're not, are you? You like the poor when they're voiceless and doing what you would prefer them to be doing. Very paternalistic. The lives of the poor are not currently very good anyway, are they? Food bank use on the rise, the NHS going tits up, job losses, low wages...

So how’re our lives going to improve? Go on, throw me a bone here.

I do also believe that a lot of remainers voted remain for their own interests, because their friends voted that way, because voting the other way was "bigoted" etc. At least as many as voted Brexit for rubbish reasons.

Currently there will be people that don't dare tell their colleagues that they voted Brexit. They'll be bullied if they do, hounded out of their jobs and polite society. Blacklisted! If I was one of those people I might consider it much easier to simply vote to remain. If I'd not looked too much into it and wasn't too bothered...

You've gotta speculate to accumulate.

You've gotta speculate to accumulate?

That’s how lives of wc people are going to improve post Brexit?

So you want instant improvement or a continuing decline...?

Just a few positives would be great.

@missionitspossible not sure if this link is the right one but if you Google unconscious bias test Harvard you'll find it ....implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/
It's lengthy but you can choose to be tested for particular biases.

I teach this to undergrads and postgrads and it's a facinating topic. We all have unconscious biases but it's being aware of them and how we choose to deal with them that makes the difference

@Blaablaablaa everyone has a level of unconscious bias.

No missionitspossible doesn't. She even had a go at me for trying to be aware of my own.