To wonder how high the correlation is between Brexit supporters and Trump supporters

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The press conference with Theresa May and Donald Trump today was one of the most bizarre things I've ever witnessed.

There's no logic in what Trump says, whether that be a recorded newspaper interview was 'fake news' or that he'd been in power for 160 days.

It seems he literally doesn't care what the truth is, he just says things as they pop into his head.

I honestly can't see why people support him, but likewise, I honestly can't see why people support Brexit.

Both defy logic to me.

The common theme between the 2 is immigration though.

Do Leave voters agree with Trump?

Doesn’t being a Nazi refer to being a member of a specific political party?

Calling somebody a Nazi has lost all meaning. You may as well be screaming "Trump is a dick". It's overuse has made it entirely generic.

Both Simon Sharma and Madeline Albright (among many others) have argued he is/behaves like a fascist. Better tell those Jewish ignoramuses they are diluting the word.

Doesn't mean they are correct and he may well be fascist but it is not the same as being a Nazi. I doubt he is about to put his daughter and grandchildren into a concentration camp for being Jewish any time soon.

By all means criticise his policies and call him a racist/fascist/white supremacist or whatever term suits you but don't use the term Nazi. Nazi is a very specific historical term which refers to industrialised scale persecution of a specific ethnic group and you dilute the horrors of the period by calling Trump a Nazi.

"Doesn’t being a Nazi refer to being a member of a specific political party?"

No.

And enough of the stupid posts about concentration camps. Actually, Trump does put people he regards as racially inferior into camps (well, cages) - did you miss the news for the last month then?

And far from "diluting the horrors of the period by calling Trump a Nazi" it is only by recognising Nazis when we see them and calling them out that we can honour the memory of those who died last time and prevent another holocaust.

If you think that those who were murdered or who just narrowly escaped being murdered last time (like my own parents) would prefer Nazis not to be called out as such, you are WRONG.

Just to clarify why is Trump a nazi.

Time for a little poetry I think.

michaelrosenblog.blogspot.com/2014/05/fascism-i-sometimes-fear.html

unemoonit. I just wanted to say, you are speaking absolute sense. Thank you for putting it so eloquently.

i know some leave voters who are open about the fact that they voted to leave due to immigration. none of them support trump though.

I voted to leave

I am not a racist. I am definitely not anti immigration. I am not uneducated (I have a PhD and an academic job and an interest in (and understanding of) politics) I am not gullible. I most certainly do NOT support the death penalty. I do not vote Tory (or UKIP or any far right party etc...). I live in a cosmopolitan, 'intellectual',liberal area and 90% of my close friends were either not born in the UK, or are married to someone who was not born in the UK, and all my friends children are bilingual.

I am fed up of some remain voters being unbelievably derogatory and patronising towards leave voters and making assumptions about why we voted as we did.

I detest everything Trump stands for.

I would vote leave again.

I do think Trump is dangerous and I fear his policies and practices.

(I also think the way some (and I know it's definitely not all) remain voters talk about leave voters is pretty rude, disrespectful and not a mirror of the values they purport to hold. This is also dangerous).

I think you're in an echo chamber here. Of course, on a British site, you're going to get people admitting to being Leave voters, but not admitting to supporting Trump. Conversely, in the US, you would get a lot of people admitting to supporting Trump, but very few people who would have a word to say either way about Brexit.

They're not comparable. Trump represents/represented a lot of different things to the vast swathes of people in the US who voted for him. Brexit, also, isn't an immigration-only issue either. Even if it was, the immigration issues that face the two countries are poles apart.

I know some left leavers and have a lot in common with them politically. I understand their arguments but felt and feel very strongly that now is not the right time to become isolationist.

But whether or not any of us is personally racist, pro-death penalty or whatever is irrelevant. We’re talking about broad correlations, not individual experiences and anecdotes.

If you don't like that, that is because you are a Nazi, or a Nazi apologist (same thing) or a paid troll.

Or you know, a person who just disagrees with you. Most of us understand and acknowledge that other people might honestly disagree with us, rather than seeing it as inconceivable.

When you act like it's impossible for anyone to disagree with you without being a liar or a plant, you really do come across as an extremist, you know.

Bureaucracy is a French word

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Is anyone going to admit to being a Trump supporter?

The people who voted for him I voted to leave and think trump is a arse hole and has very stage hair he should get a lace front

I thought goady threads were banned?

Hi GardenGeek

I too would love not to have to feel the need for silence on having voted leave. The prejudice and derogation towards leave voters, by some people who are usually so nice and lovely and with values I usually share, is so so sad :(

and its quite nice because its the first time I have seen a left leaver on here

Another one here. Although, again, I actually ballot spoiled in the end.

The mistake Remainers tend to make is assuming that all leave voters are isolationist and thick.

My parents generation weren’t as highly educated as later generations, different times and doesn’t mean they don’t have successful careers and aren’t incredibly intelligent.

For me, I believe that being in the EU has held us back from more lucrative growing world markets and higher growth. So on the contrary to being isolationist, I’m actually looking to the wider world.

Im a socialist and being a Leaver is compatible with that, a la Corbyn.

The mistake Remainers tend to make is assuming that all leave voters are isolationist and thick

Can you see the irony in your statement?

By isolationist I mean cutting the closest possible ties with Europe. I think the EU has many flaws, but I can’t for the life of me see any other country or bloc that I’d rather be aligned with in these dangerous times.

In my direct experience - no correlation at all.

In my experience of the correlation of threads with Brexit in the title and the subsequent ignorant insulting of Leave voters (thick, racist etc) - 100%