To only now realise that Pride is very anti-women - not just anti-lesbian - but misogynistic and male-orientated

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I had no idea....

prideinlondon.org

Of the TWELVE photos that welcome you to their website ONLY ONE is of women .... and to compound the irony that one is of Stewards, i.e. women helping Pride happen, rather than celebrating and enjoying Pride as an active participant

I am really shocked that in this day and age ANY organisation that claims to represent WOMEN AND MEN can be so foolish as to show that they don't think women are important on the first page of their website.....

In which case , sorry.

TacoLover, I think you and other posters are missing the fact that this was a protest. Being quiet and refusing to make waves may be ladylike but it doesn't make your point. Making sure they were out and proud at the front definitely worked for those magnificent women. They've certainly put the cat among the pigeons.

The BBC and national papers reported the demonstration as "anti trans" but I think if you asked most ordinary people if lesbians do dick they'd be astonished that you even asked the question. The whole world knows penises have no part to play in lesbian sex.

The fact that a banner saying "lesbians are female homosexuals" was considered anti trans says it all. Lesbians shouldn't need to fight at Pride to have their sexual boundaries respected.

It's shocking that lesbians should have to fight homophobia at Pride of all places. Trans ideology is homophobic and misogynistic.

There are women who have sex with transwomen. The word for them is heterosexual. Here's a hint. If you're having sex in which contraception might even be a consideration, you're not engaged in homosexual sex.

"Pride was created by a black trans man "

Really? Who was that?

I'm sorry, did I just read a PP say that Pride has nothing to with lesbians and white gay men? Wtaf?

"Whether or not you agree with their views, you can hardly argue their actions were not selfish."
Yes I can. It was a bloody protest. Not much good protesting by lining up nicely at the back.

That's the black lesbian who has been retrospectively transed after her death.

How offensive.

Amazing how people can tell such barefaced lies.

For readers new to the topic, one of transactivists' favourite thing to do is to find women from history who concealed their sex in order to be able to actually do things men could do, and retrospectively trans them. This absolutely offensive practice reinforces the "man brain" theory, that women can only be brave and stand up for themselves if they were actually men.
Of course no men from history get transed into women, er, because of the patriarchy.

AlphaBravo, retrospectively choosing a gender identity for people who never identified as transgender during their lifetimes is offensive and dishonest.

So. Who was the black transperson who started Pride?

Why is saying Lesbians are female homosexuals transphobic hate?

I have other questions but they will do for a start.

This is the first I'm hearing about the Lesbian group trampling a flag. Are we adding goodfacts now to make the hijack story better.

And what happened to the bit where they were not welcome because of their sign? Have we dropped that?

NotMe, that's exactly right and a valuable point to put out there. It never fails to outrage me that people who perceive misgendering as "literal violence" are perfectly happy to do it to others when it suits their agenda.

if I've understood correctly

And there is the rub. Unless you were a direct witness to events its all second hand information. The accounts I've seen put out by Stonewall/Pride PR and on Twitter are wildly different from accounts of other witnesses.

What I do know is that Stonewall and Pride have long been on the misogynist end of the spectrum and Pride is almost entirely corporate (in London, I can't speak for local orgs). Despite the fact that Pride was founded largely by lesbian groups and ran as a low funding charitable org for its first 20 odd years.

Corporate ownership came in late 90s in my memory but others here probably have a more accurate view. I wasn't involved in it at that time.

Aren't the group advocating for 'T' to be removed from the acronym?

rosesandflowers1 there may be more than one group, but I think you mean “Get The L Out” which is the message. Not the T.

Their group has actively campaigned to remove the 'T' from the acronym, so you'll excuse people who come away with the wild notion that they're transphobic.

I'd date a trans man, and I'd date a cis gender man too. But not a woman. I've always described myself as straight, and clearly that's the label that suits me best. Some people are saying they cannot be attracted to trans people. They can do them, you can't force yourself to be attracted to someone. I think people are sorting this with 'trans-inclusive' and 'trans-exclusive.' Haven't heard much more about it except on Mumsnet.

Whether or not it was a "bloody protest", these 8 women (who are part of a group who advocate for another LGBTQ+ Pride to be excluded) took the space of NHS workers. It's inexcusable. How did they know that there weren't trans-exclusive lesbians in the group that they took the space from? I daresay they're not thanking them for the rep they've got.

Groups of hate shouldn't really have a place at Pride, IMO, but despite organisers not being happy with it, they were given one. I'm sure they'd have been notices regardless of whether they did what they did; but instead, people are discussing the selfishness of their behaviour, rather than the content of the protest.

Nobody can convince me that an unregistered group who took doctors and nurses' space and walked over the rainbow flag (yes, they did) are being condemned solely because they have vaginas.

Not weighing in on any of the other points but,
this is not America, who cares if someone walks on a flag?
It's just a patterned cloth, that anyone can choose to use in anyway they want isn't it? It's not got any bonkers restrictions on it like the stars and stripes?

Give it a week and the lesbian protesters will have set the flag on fire, LastTrain.

Its been reported a transwoman was arrested after a water bottle was thrown at the lesbians, hitting a police officer.

Still the lesbians should be grateful. Lesbians were beaten at the San Francisco Dyke March, their banners ripped up and trampled. Uppity women should learn how to behave, clearly.

I see we're being offended about everything again

Get The L Out is a fringe lesbian and feminist protest group which previously called for transgender people to be removed from the LGBT acronym. The petition was ultimately unsuccessful and now they are petitioning to have the “L” removed from LGBT+.

Their original petition didn't work; they had a remarkably low number of signatures, even when you consider that the number of people prescribing to their ideology is relatively low.

They did originally want the 'T' out. Now they're ignoring the masses of lesbians who obviously don't want to be removed from the acronym. They're clearly very self centred women.

It says a lot about a person when they frame women peacefully standing up for their boundaries as ‘hatred’. It says an awful lot, in fact.

@bigoldscaredycat

How exactly does trying to get an entire subset of LGBTQ+ removed from the acronym not qualify as hate? Whether it's a different subset to you, or the one you identify as? I can't believe eight women could have the arrogance to campaign for lesbianism to be entirely disassociated with Pride.

Not to mention the wild misinformation they spread. Thankfully they had very little publicity until this, which hasn't done much good for it.

"Not to mention the wild misinformation they spread."
What misinformation was that?

I'd date a trans man, and I'd date a cis gender man too. But not a woman. I've always described myself as straight, and clearly that's the label that suits me best
That is your right, of course. If you’d had a sexual relationship with a trans identifying woman, then that suggests you are bi sexual, but I’m not esp interested in your sex life.

Some people are saying they cannot be attracted to trans people. They can do them, you can't force yourself to be attracted to someone. I think people are sorting this with 'trans-inclusive' and 'trans-exclusive
People are not “sorting it”. Lesbians are being abused, threatened and erased if they insist that lesbian means female/female sexual attraction. That cocks have no place in lesbian relationships.

Okay here's the Pink News video....

You'll see the protesters walk over the flag gently to get in front of it, as requested by the organisers...

And that the Pink News reporter shamelessly misreports the signs as "Transgenderism erases lesbianism" rather than "Transactivists".... I would like to think this is shoddy reporting but on reflection I think it is intentional.

And of course any serious reporter interested in a demo would explore why they are demonstrating and present both sides - the demonstrators and those who disagree....

And here we have more than the reverse... Shockingly shameless