To wonder why we aren't rioting in the streets?

[Danniz]

So:
The government is about to begin stockpiling processed food in case the country is plunged into chaos by a “no deal” Brexit.
In just over half a year the UK is going to be wrecked for decades to come. We're looking at rationing, for God's sake. Power cuts. Mass unemployment. The loss of our employment and human rights. The new Health Secretary has allegedly received 10s of 1000s from the head of a thinktank that wants to abolish the NHS. There is no plan for the future. Not even the most ardent of the Brexiter politicians that got us into this mess are pretending that we aren't looking at massive economic and social problems.
Isn't it time for us as ordinary citizens who, with our children, will pay for this fiasco to start demonstrating, meeting our MPs, doing anything else that might possibly help to stop this? I don't just mean the demonstration that took place in London, and the others around the country - I mean serious numbers of people, making their voices heard. Because we will all suffer the very serious consequences of this mess.

You do realise that this country has always "stockpiled" food, don't you? We don't just buy it in on a day to day basis

It's kind of absurd to suggest the people who make the rules will legislate for Armageddon, even though none of them want that. I voted against Brexit, I believe having it could mean things will be 5% worse than they would have been. I don't believe we'll end up eating each other.

I agree. I think being out of the eu will be a better long term decision. Especially with how unstable other eu countries are becoming. Oh and I voted remain.

David Cameron was the one who allowed the referendum. He took a huge gamble. He thought people would vote remain.

David Cameron was the one who allowed the referendum.

But the Brexit campaigners were the ones who lied to voters and didn't have an exit plan.

After the non millennium bug, non bird flu & non swine flu, it's like people don't believe any of these forecast disaster will really happen.

Foot and mouth, and mad cow disease people!

Yes I do agree Lweji - they are certainly no better. Most people had no idea what they were voting for and many people voted leave for racist reasons. I just think DC was irresponsible for ever allowing to even happen.

OP I'm with you, but part of the problem is we don't have an opposition that is prepared to get involved. The Labour Party is pretty much a disaster at the moment and the more sensible voices have either left, been silenced or have no authority within it.

Also most people are so overwhelmed by work, keeping things together, and making ends meet they don't have the time and energy to deal with politics. I think that when a lot of people do they either think everything will turn out ok, or they get anxious and avoid the issue. So many people I know don't even watch or follow the news and I can't blame them there is just endless gloom and world disarray.

I too think a hard Brexit will be a disaster, whether there will be immediate chaos or a slow drip of decline I can't see it bringing about any positive benefits to our economy. We are a tiny, unimportant country and we need alliances going forward, it's quite clear given Trump's stance on trades/tariffs that we won't benefit and can't rely on a 'special' relationship with the US.

MarthaArthur you seem to have looked into this in detail. Can you give us some examples about the terrible laws from the unstable countries, like France, Germany, Sweden and the Netherlands?

www.express.co.uk/news/world/586742/European-Union-barmy-decisions-rules-regulations-Britain-EU

Some silly stuff here. It does take the piss when minor things are put to 27 countries.

I don't think the "we" can be used to describe the whole country in terms of Brexit. Some 70%+ of everyone eligible to vote turned out for the referendum and the leave voter block was larger than for anything else in British history, including every government ever elected, so in a very real sense "we" (and I include those of us who voted against it because that is how democracy works) have collectively made the decision to Leave and Most people wanted it, a bigger Most than ever put a Labour or Conservative government in power, and those were always good enough for us in the past.

On the other problems (and more besides) I agree there is cause for massive discontent, I don't know why the country just rolls over and takes it.

In terms of being against Brexit*

It's kind of absurd to suggest the people who make the rules will legislate for Armageddon,

Agreed. If anything, they will be helping their friends make preparations so they can profit from Armageddon. Politicians will point fingers at the other side and blame them to score points rather than help the people who voted them in.

I do wonder what the outcome would be if they held it again

Some people would vote remain because they are tired of the shenanigans. However those people who voted remain who were too scared to vote leave may also change their vote because the world didn't implode.

No one can be sure what the outcome would be if the vote was held again.

I'm also looking into ways to enable my children to work in the EU in the future. But I'm sure it won't be easy.

If your children have good qualifications and work experience then they will be able to work anywhere in the world. I have lived in Spain and Greece before freedom of movement laws and later worked in Hong Kong and Singapore. Being part of the EU had nothing to do with my 19 year work stint abroad.

MarshaArthur

I have taken just one of those "silly regulations"

Bonkers Brussels deemed it to be important that washing gloves could withstand standard kitchen detergents and oven gloves underwent tests to ensure they could cope under the pressure of 200c heat.

So Brussels insists that washing gloves should be capable of protecting your hands from the effects of detergents and oven gloves should be capable of protecting your hands from heat.

And another one:

*Meddling legislators made it illegal for prunes to be sold as a super food that acts as a laxative.

And after a thorough investigation, the EU ruled: "The evidence provided is insufficient to establish a cause and effect relationship between the consumption of dried plums of 'prune' cultivars and maintenance of normal bowel function"*

Which basically means - food manufacturers can't claim that a product has a medicinal benefit when there's no evidence that it actually does.

Did you actually read the article????

Some silly stuff here. It does take the piss when minor things are put to 27 countries.

The first item on there is complete bullshit made up by Boris Johnson as everyone with half a brain knows. So not really evidence of anything is it.

I did read the article thanks. You might not find that a trivial and silly thing for a governing body to worry themselves in but I do. Considering Italys economy is fucked and Greece but sure lets make silly pointless rules. Especially when crime punishments are so ridiculous too.

You seem really upset that anyone might critisise the eu. Why is that?

Well rioting won’t help will it?

The most likely scenario is slow economic downturn and rising prices of goods over several years. Like boiling a frog slowly.

The chance of a no deal brexit is low. The chance of a no deal brexit leading to a short term food supply is even lower. The chance of a no deal brexit leading to mass prolonged food shortages and enforced rationing is minuscule indeed.

However, we have a preppers board for good, practical advice on how to prepare for emergencies that those of you who are worried may want to peruse. Last minute stockpiling is a very bad idea (look what happened during the snow, madness!) Long term gradual preparations during the time of plenty is what we should all be doing. Don’t rely on the government to bail you out. Prepare for lean times instead.

It is astonishing how many people don’t have a single candle, bottle of water or tin of food spare in their home. I’m not talking about those who are living hand to mouth, they don’t have a choice. I’m talking about those solely reliant on Apple Pay and their twice weekly Ocado delivery like these can never fail

The only way to save prescribed medication is to skip a dose now and again and save it. Only you can decide whether to risk this and you might end up with expired meds (might be better than nothing though!)

So were are all to be made a lot worse off because people don't want oven gloves regulated?

Marsha

My point was , as you well know, that at least two of the "silly regulations" were clearly entirely sensible and no doubt if I researched the others they would also prove to be entirely sensible.

Perhaps you could now explain why you think it is "silly" to insist that oven gloves should be able to protect you from heat. Do you have any idea of the consequences of dropping a pan of boiling water on yourself because your oven gloves weren't strong enough?

This is the point at which I lose any last vestiges of respect I had for thosepeople who think that brexit is worth this. We are facing the need to stockpile food. We. Britain. In the 21st century. We are not at war, there has been no major natural disaster. People are seriously OK with this? People think Brexit is worth this? We've gone from sunny uplands to plans to stockpile food and some people think this is still a good idea? It's almost beyond belief.

MarthaArthur What Italy & Greece does not does not do to their economies is no concern of ours, we were never part of the Greek bailout, nor part of the Euro. This is balanced out by large stable countries (far more stable than ours at the moment).

Unfortunately, a lot of what was reported in the Press about EU lawmaking was inaccurate. There are EU laws which are wrong. Like for example CAP. But DM editor Paul Dacre made millions in EU subsidies out of CAP so oddly did not report about that.

The indisputable result of Brexit though is that Britain will be much poorer, it will cost every one of use hundreds of pounds. Tens possibly hundreds of thousands of jobs will be lost. That's the truth.

Don't know about you but the odd regulation about advertising of Prunes seems a small price to pay.

You seem really upset that anyone might critisise the eu. Why is that?

No one saying the EU is utterly perfect (although why it should be criticised for insisting over gloves should withstand heat is beyond me).

People are just saying that staying in the EU is a far better prospect than leaving - especially if it’s no deal.

Maybe you could start your own riot, op.

After the non millennium bug, non bird flu & non swine flu, it's like people don't believe any of these forecast disaster will really happen.

We were told planes would fall in the sky.

You don't need money OP, you need organisation and leadership to help your local community stockpile. Many will not have foresight, motivation, time, skills, space or spare money as you do.