To wonder why we aren't rioting in the streets?

[Danniz]

So:
The government is about to begin stockpiling processed food in case the country is plunged into chaos by a “no deal” Brexit.
In just over half a year the UK is going to be wrecked for decades to come. We're looking at rationing, for God's sake. Power cuts. Mass unemployment. The loss of our employment and human rights. The new Health Secretary has allegedly received 10s of 1000s from the head of a thinktank that wants to abolish the NHS. There is no plan for the future. Not even the most ardent of the Brexiter politicians that got us into this mess are pretending that we aren't looking at massive economic and social problems.
Isn't it time for us as ordinary citizens who, with our children, will pay for this fiasco to start demonstrating, meeting our MPs, doing anything else that might possibly help to stop this? I don't just mean the demonstration that took place in London, and the others around the country - I mean serious numbers of people, making their voices heard. Because we will all suffer the very serious consequences of this mess.

I don’t blame the people who voted brexit, I blame the Torys and especially David Cameron. It was always a 50% chance of a brexit vote do why did he risk it just to get re-elected. Such a shame Milliband didn’t win. He always said a referendum wouldn’t be on the cards as a yes vote would be a disaster. He lost terribly but it was the right thing to do on principles.
I don’t blame TM for the way the negotiating is going as either way she is screwed.

I read in the sun once that loads of Scousers peed on dying victims and stole from the dead!!!

It is all David Cameron’s fault, and he skipped off into the sunset

Over half voted for Brexit so I suppose they won’t be rioting in the streets as it’s what they want

You must live perma stressed out lives if you are getting aggressive over stuff you dont even know whats going to happen.

Not knowing what’s going to happen with jobs, security, food and vital medicines are pretty fair reasons to get stressed out. IMO, not ‘knowing what’s going to happen’ to a whole economy/society isn’t really acceptable.

I am really concerned about the potential medicines shortage. I rely on a few medications to keep me upright and functioning. If there are any shortages I won't die, but I will be very unwell.

My gp surgery is very hot on people not renewing repeat prescriptions early, so I'm not quite sure what to do.

However, I do blame Theresa May for appeasing the right wing of her party. She could easily have said that Cameron's promises to implement the result of the Referendum weren't hers, acknowledge that there was a small majority of the voting population in favour and set up a commission to examine all the options. Instead we got the Brexit means Brexit tripe. Had she done something like that, and not invoked A50 without a plan, she might have been in a decent negotiating position when the negotiations did start.

I think yanbu to wonder but perhaps the answer is that none of us can believe that our own government would be so stupid and reckless. However, on recent form...

I do wonder what the outcome would be if they held it again

I think the OP is highlighting the risk of short-term disruption to essential services if the UK doesn't make appropriate plans/ discussions, and concern that we are making very slow progress.

Even if you are pro Leave you can see that the UK needs to make appropriate preparation for importing food, medication, other essential supplies, and international transport, before they leave the EU, so that there is no obvious disruption. This takes time and requires agreement with other countries, EU and non EU.

You can be pro Leave and still think that we need to get our skates on in reaching these agreements. The closer it gets to the deadline the weaker position we are in negotiating.

Personally I am very strongly remain, but I think this should concern everybody whatever your position on Brexit. Presumably those who voted Brexit wanted a smooth transition.

As for what I'm doing myself, Football. I'm a single mum on a low income. I will definitely lose my job if we have a no deal Brexit. I have started stockpiling food, and have bought a few emergency things like a camping cooker. I'm on regular medication and am worried about it stopping, but can't do much about that. I'm thinking of trying to save some of the medication for next year, but that could have an adverse effect on me now. I can't afford to stockpile food and water for my whole community. If I did, it would be looted anyway if the shit really hits the fan. It makes much more sense to publicise what is happening / the risks, to enable other families to stockpile for themselves. This would then reduce the number of people who resort to crime to keep themselves going if there is no food in the shops.

Why are you angry at the people who were offered the vote and took the chance to do so?

Because they fell for the bullshit. We live amongst idiots.

All I am saying is history is full of changes. The world wont be the same in 10 years. Or 20. Or 50. You cant allow yourselves to get so worked up over changes that will occur for the rest of mankinds time on the planet.

The economy will dip in the first few years. Then it depends on how this is navigated. The first issue the country has is its government is shit on all sides and needs total new blood.

I've also written to my MP several times, been on an anti-Brexit demonstration, spent many hours leafleting streets prior to the EU referendum, put stuff on Facebook. Not enough, but if everyone did it it might just make a difference.

I'm also looking into ways to enable my children to work in the EU in the future. But I'm sure it won't be easy.

Wow - I can't believe that some posters are saying that rationing wouldn't be a bad thing?

We were told before the referendum that a vote to Leave would improve our lives. Any of the negative predictions were 'project fear' - there was literally no downside.

Now we are talking about rationing being OK and not becoming a third world country. How can you reconcile this with the sunny uplands that were promised?

And to everyone pooh pooing these predictions - there have been posters who have taken the time to explain the real implications on food, medicine, flights and northern ireland. These are issues that need to be sorted and at the moment are not.

If you can't be arsed to read and are bored of the whole thing because 'it'll be fine' - well if it's not don't you dare try to blame those of us who were trying to raise awareness in advance if this does come to pass.

It's very easy when you've lived a number of decades in a stable country to think 'it'll never happen to us'.

But it can and does happen and unless the government actually start solving these issues and propose a workable deal with the EU, then the risks are real.

I disagree with you, Martha, obviously. People on Mumsnet get worked up if their 6 year old little Johnny doesn't get a good part in the school nativity. The prospect of economic and social meltdown doesn't seem to move many of them though. Just imagine how much little Johnny's life will be affected by Brexit.

MarshaBradyo

As you can see from many of the responses here it's basically a cult. Go on social media and you'll see people behaving like the worse it is the more they're proving themselves virtuous for wanting it.

There's no guarantee another Referendum would produce a different result.

Because they fell for the bullshit. We live amongst idiots

The idiot is the person who offered the vote when they didn't have to, knowing there was a good chance they might get the outcome they didn't want. Your anger is misplaced. You are blaming the puppets rather than the man pulling the strings.

In whose interest would it be to kill all air traffic in and out of the UK?

If your answer is no-one who has any influence, then it won't happen. Regardless of how Brexit unfolds.

GoodFortune - agreed.

David Cameron has a lot to answer for and history will not treat him kindly.

I disagree. He as PM served the people, and the people wanted to vote. I think voting should be a priviledge, you need to have some level of intelligence to vote.

I suspect it is a bit of panic and we will come to a deal. If I had to attach a probability to this, I would guess 95%. However, that does mean that there is a 5% chance of a complete disaster, which is really not good.

I think that we have negotiated disastrously on Brexit. We needed to play hardball from the start, and mention many unmentionables. You cannot negotiate without an element of bluff. You need to start from an extreme position and come to a compromise over time. However, that would have been untenable given the margin for Brexit was so narrow and most parliamentarians do not really support it.

It is a shame that there are not more traders as MPs. Every good trader knows that cutting losses is the most important part of making money. It does not mean the position was stupid, just that the market has moved the other way, and there is no shame in reversing your position. We need to give up Brexiting now, as quickly and painlessly as possible. No one is even offering an alternative Brexit vision that is better than being in.

Some of you will say that was always the case but there were alternatives, just not ones that we were willing to explore seriously.

Firesuit

As many people have said here it's a legal issue. I don't imagine the EU do want to stop all flights. But what they are saying is that ultimately it is the UK's responsibility to come up with proposals for sorting it out. Imagine your neighbour has a problem with their house that is also affecting your property. Do you go round and offer to pay the expense, hire the workmen etc?

The Brexiteers in government have persistently acted as if the UK was being forced to leave the EU and that somehow the EU is responsible for subsequent problems.

It's kind of absurd to suggest the people who make the rules will legislate for Armageddon, even though none of them want that. I voted against Brexit, I believe having it could mean things will be 5% worse than they would have been. I don't believe we'll end up eating each other.

David Cameron has a lot to answer for and history will not treat him kindly.

I think you mean Farage and Boris Johnson, no?