To wonder why we aren't rioting in the streets?

[Danniz]

So:
The government is about to begin stockpiling processed food in case the country is plunged into chaos by a “no deal” Brexit.
In just over half a year the UK is going to be wrecked for decades to come. We're looking at rationing, for God's sake. Power cuts. Mass unemployment. The loss of our employment and human rights. The new Health Secretary has allegedly received 10s of 1000s from the head of a thinktank that wants to abolish the NHS. There is no plan for the future. Not even the most ardent of the Brexiter politicians that got us into this mess are pretending that we aren't looking at massive economic and social problems.
Isn't it time for us as ordinary citizens who, with our children, will pay for this fiasco to start demonstrating, meeting our MPs, doing anything else that might possibly help to stop this? I don't just mean the demonstration that took place in London, and the others around the country - I mean serious numbers of people, making their voices heard. Because we will all suffer the very serious consequences of this mess.

Why would you riot?

I’m waiting until they do NOT deliver BREXIT as we voted for it. Any sign of that and I’ll be painting my signs.

Unfortunately nothing will make True Believers doubt Brexit. Even if it led to mass starvation it would be someone else's fault.

There is no good way out of this mess. Huge sections of the population are going to feel betrayed whatever the end point. David Cameron has one hell of a lot to answer for.

So basically the story is saying that as 97% of our processed food comes from the EU, the gov't is getting a supply in to cover any teething problems.

The headline, however might lead one to believe that food shortages are imminent and we're all going to be living on Spam.

More fear-mongering. This kind of BS is what completely undermined the credibility of the Remain argument.

Ermmm - we did manage to eat before we were part of the EU, you know! A lot of our vegetables come from Africa and South America, potatoes from Israel, meat from New Zealand, etc. And we do actually produce quite a lot of meat, fruit, wheat and vegetables in the UK!

You know what? I hate people who ask why we’re not rioting on the street. I have a job, and so does my husband. We have 2 young children. We are just about holding it together. When exactly do you expect us to have time to protest or riot?

I accept that’s its intentional to keep us quiet though

Ermmm - we did manage to eat before we were part of the EU, you know!

Yes , because after Brexit we will be getting in our time machines and going straight back to 1973. Nothing will have changed in that time at all of course.

Currently 25-30% is imported from.the EU. Under WTO terms, we would have to charge tariffs on that, raising prices and it would have to go through customs checks, which we haven't put the infrastructure in place for, hence leading to delays and disruption in supplies to supermarkets if we go for no deal.

I agree with the OP. Just not with the rioting part.

A no deal Brexit would cause some very serious, immediate consequences. Very much like expecting nothing to happen when your mobile contract runs out and then being shocked that they aren’t providing you with 4G and calls.

We are in the interim period at the moment. The calm before the storm, so to speak. Unless we have a deal that allows for continuity of service then there will be a lot of provisions that will cease immediately on the day we leave.

Including things like: Irish border, movements of goods across the Chanel, movement of people across our borders (in and out), flights, tariffs on goods, information sharing etc.

That’s just the obvious stuff. Anyone advocating for no deal is a moron of massive proportions or is looking to profiteer off of the chaos that would follow.

There’s no doubt prices will rise and times will be tough - certainly for the transition. But producers still want to sell their produce and agreements will be reached. I don’t think it will be chaos, just a sad slump really.

Seriously OP, I voted remain but you need to get a grip.

I don't understand why hundreds of thousands of people are still flocking to live in the UK if it is so bad? Surely we'd see negative immigration not an extra 300k per year?

And we are having a soft faux Brexit, so stop worrying!

As for rising prices I have just come back from France and was bloody appalled at their supermarket prices in comparison to ours. They were far more expensive. Of course I a man likening them to Asda I never he north and not Waitrose in London but still, we were much cheaper.

Ermmm - we did manage to eat before we were part of the EU, you know!

You might want to check exactly how much we can produce within the country. We are not where near self sufficient.
70% of food imports is coming from the EU
Less than 50% of the food we eat is produced in the U.K. Defra

So yes any disruption of the important of food will leave us with half of what we have at the moment (see blockages at the point of entry etc etc)
Of course, this also means that some food might still be easily available (maybe meat?) when others will be very hard to find indeed (a lot of the fruit and Vegs?)
Then there is the very small issue of taxes at entry and the increased costs

I remember similar scaremongering about the millenium bug, and what happened to that?

I don't understand why hundreds of thousands of people are still flocking to live in the UK if it is so bad? Surely we'd see negative immigration not an extra 300k per year?
That’s overall immigration. Not EU immigration.
So basically people either not really realising what is happening here atm or taking the risk of living the expat life for a couple of years, knowing full well they can just go away again when things get bad.
And of course, depending of where people are coming from, it might still ok bettervthan what they have. It depends who you are comparing yourself with: the most developed countries or the less developed countries??

Lucisky

That is because a lot of people worked very hard to make it ok. It wasn’t just a damp squib it was a big effort to make sure nothing happened.

Unlike Brexit where people seem to think we just have to sit back and let the EU sort it all out for us.

Here’s a guy who worked on the millennium bug problems and is rightly ticked off that people think it was a hoax.

www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/sep/01/we-must-debunk-this-millennium-bug-myth

Nobody is rioting because we haven't left yet. The reality of it won't sink in until people begin to feel the effects themselves, when it really has an impact on them personally. Until then it's all 'scaremongering' and 'project fear', as some of the replies on this thread testify.

BrexitWife - you still haven't acknowledged that a substantial amount of our food comes from countries outside the EU!

So many attempts to deflect from this.

It's quite simple really. No deal means that we are stuffed. How exactly do people thinking we are going to get food into the country in sufficient quantities?

milktray it is beyond stupid to laud increased use of foods flown in by air from New Zealand, Israel, Africa and South America. People like you, who focus on yourself and not future generations, should hang your head in shame.

I remember similar scaremongering about the millenium bug, and what happened to that?

Luckisy Don't parrot that lazy arse Boris Johnson who knew absolutely nothing and was a disgrace as foreign secretary.

I worked on the preparation for the Millenium bug - the part I worked on for my organisation was to examine and adapt our Finance and Stock control systems. All told it was about six years of solid work; at its height with whole teams working on it, but winding down to about two people tweaking the last bits of the new system in 2003 before we were fully satisfied.

Multiply that work up and down the country and thousands were employed preparing for it, with millions spent on it. That's why there were no major problems with the Millenium bug. I.E. people took Project Fear seriously and acted upon it.

Especially as it would require deals to be made with those countries and expect them to up production in sufficient quantity in time. Where would they magic all of their extra food from in such a short space of time? It would need to be already growing in the fields this season to be ready to supply for next Spring.

Never mind the cost both financially and environmentally. And the fact that our airports operate generally at capacity already.

Its quite clear from some of the ignorant/head-in-the-sand comments here that the country is going to get exactly what it deserves. Brexit is costing millions of pounds a week of tax payers money all to make the UK poorer. Let that sink in.

How will food be flown in, in the short term, if our planes and pilots are not licensed to fly?

The UK hasn't been able to feed itself for a long time without imports - for at least 100 years.