To wonder why we aren't rioting in the streets?

[Danniz]

So:
The government is about to begin stockpiling processed food in case the country is plunged into chaos by a “no deal” Brexit.
In just over half a year the UK is going to be wrecked for decades to come. We're looking at rationing, for God's sake. Power cuts. Mass unemployment. The loss of our employment and human rights. The new Health Secretary has allegedly received 10s of 1000s from the head of a thinktank that wants to abolish the NHS. There is no plan for the future. Not even the most ardent of the Brexiter politicians that got us into this mess are pretending that we aren't looking at massive economic and social problems.
Isn't it time for us as ordinary citizens who, with our children, will pay for this fiasco to start demonstrating, meeting our MPs, doing anything else that might possibly help to stop this? I don't just mean the demonstration that took place in London, and the others around the country - I mean serious numbers of people, making their voices heard. Because we will all suffer the very serious consequences of this mess.

Maybe some people feel the privations described above are a healthy compromise if it mean we don’t have to allow free movement to 27 countries’ rapists, murderers and parents who think selling your daughter to the highest bidder on her 14th birthday is both normal and acceptable

I don't know who pays you to write this bullshit; hope they think they are getting value for money.

(Scrabbles around in bottom of store cupboard) I have a tin of spaghetti hoops from 1967 - I will start the bidding at £25.

So how do planes from countries not in the EU manage to fly?

I don't know whether to be pleased that the government are finally planning something (albeit a bit late in the day) or horrified that the prospect of a crash-out could actually become reality.

I think it's highly unlikely any government would intentionally crash out but given the total incompetence so far it's not beyond the realms of possibility. And if we do crash out, then yes there will be short-term chaos and people should be prepared for it. If the government are stockpiling food, it could well be rationed out in a crisis.

I think too many people are unaware what "no-deal" actually means:
Falling back on WTO rules mean that we cannot treat goods of EU origin differently to goods that originate anywhere else in the world.
Either EU goods would have to go through customs like goods that originate in other parts of the world - which would mean serious delays as we don't actually have the customs infrastructure in place, hence the disruption to food supplies and the need for stockpiling - or we could just wave the trucks from the EU through, but we would then have to allow goods from anywhere in the world to come through equally uninspected - who knows what might turn up? There would be no guarantees of food standards.

And it's not just food. Just as worrying is medicine, which would be subject to the same customs checks. Even more concerning is cancer-curing drugs which can only be transported from the EU to here if we are part of the Euratom agreement as they are radioactive. We don't produce these drugs here.

Also, all our airline operations currently take place as part of the EU open skies agreement. This covers flights between us and EU member states, but also between us and all the other countries in the world. If we are not part of this, we have to fall back on old legislation which allows for far fewer planes to fly.

As I said, I can't in all honesty believe that any government would be so foolish - they wouldn't be re-elected for a generation if they caused such chaos - but given how little progress has been made so far, it is a possibility.

People can bury their heads in the sand as much as they like, but there are members of the government who are actively seeking a no-deal scenario and it would be chaotic. Just because we have been fortunate enough to live through a very stable few decades, does not mean chaos cannot happen.

So how do planes from countries not in the EU manage to fly?

The international airline industry is governed by a host of international agreements. All flights to and from the UK are currently governed by being party to the EU Open Skies agreement, ie our arrangements with third countries such as the US are made via the EU, not directly between the UK and US. If we are no longer part of the EU, we have to negotiate new arrangements.

A fairly clear summary:
www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/03/22/will-brexit-mean-uk-airline-industry/

Well start a protest and others might join in

Discussion of UK-US flights after Brexit:
www.economist.com/gulliver/2018/03/10/will-british-airlines-lose-their-rights-to-fly-to-america-after-brexit

The Sun. The Sun that led its readers to believe in the sunny uplands of Brexit? The Sun that said "they'll be begging us to stay. They need us more than we need them" ? That Sun? That paper which is written to an average reading age of 11? I'm amazed its not been razed to the ground.

Isn't it a sensible move to prepare for worst case scenarios through? If I were in charge, I'd be looking at every possible way to ease the transition. In fact, I began adding one extra tin to our weekly shop two months ago, things that have 2-3 year expiry dates and can be eaten cold like tuna and corned beef. I like to be prepared.

I hope our government can see us smoothly through this shitty thing 52% of our population chose for us, but I'm not alarmed that they are taking measures at least to make sure we won't run out of food and power!

Thanks Surfer for accusing me of taking money for posting my concerns on Mumsnet. Why don't you advance search me then? I've tried that with a few Brexit friendly posters on here, to find that they're either posting on Mumsnet for the first time, or have chosen names that make them very conveniently unsearchable (such as footballcoach). Anybody who does any research will find a whole load of reputable people and publications saying that hard, let alone no deal Brexit is a mega-disaster which will have a devastating effect on our country. If you think that losing your job, food and everything else becoming short and massively more expensive, the UK's security against terrorism and other criminals being dangerously compromised, planes not being allowed to fly, the loss of human and employment rights, the likely privatisation of the NHS, and on and on and on ... are worth it so that the UK can deport a few foreign criminals (and find that our own criminals are sent back to the UK in return), then fine. But why not let others make that decision for themselves?

There are supermarkets with food in them in countries outside the EU - lots of them have EU food in them. So we move to WTO rules - not a huge issue in most areas.
The EU have the most to lose in those, eg cars, so the minimum will be a CETA type free trade deal. Electronic customs paperwork
Some 10% plus of car parts on EU cars are imported from outside the EU already, so 'frictionless' trade is a fairly minor benefit.
Whether we end up better off or worse off, the difference will be marginal, spread over a long time - there is no need to panic.

Koko - this "shitty thing" wasn't chosen by 52% of our population. The government, in particular its extreme right wing Brexiter wing, is what is insisting on a hard, and now more likely no deal Brexit. They promised a great Brexit - better than what we had before. That is what people voted for, not this car-wreck. So blame the handful of rightwing politicians who are fucking the country in the full knowledge of what it will do to us.

Caroldecker - funny how so many businesses are moving out, or deciding to stop investing. How London is already losing its reputation as a world financial centre, with businesses moving to the rest of the EU so that they can take advantage of passporting. How our own government's reports on the impact of Brexit are so horrendous that they have to be kept secret. How the whole world sees us as a batshit country that has already thrown itself off the world stage.

Carol No country in the world trades solely under WTO rules. Mauritania is the only country in the WTO database that is said to have no regional trade arrangements but it seems to have joined a trading group which does have preferential arrangements with other WTO members.

Even non-WTO members like North Korea have some sort of regional or bilateral agreements in place.

I assume that Caroldecker doesn't want to fly anywhere then. WTO rules don't cover aviation.

But you Brexiters were promised it was all going to be easy and all hunky dory but you don't stockpile food and medicines when there is a superabundance but when you anticipate lean times. Why don't you ask Redwood why he isn't supporting the UK but advising investors to put their money elsewhere. Why don't you ask Rees-Mogg why he is setting up a branch of his business in Dublin, and EU country, instead of having faith that people will still flock to invest in this country?

www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/economics-and-finance/would-british-trade-thrive-on-wto-terms-absolutely-not

Article published recently by Guy de Jonquières, a former Financial Times World Trade Editor, a senior fellow at the European Centre for International Political Economy and a co-founder of the UK Trade Forum on why WTO only trade is not a viable option.

If the Sun is publishing this sort of thing, given their readership and general mentality, it is actually a genuine question to ask why there isn’t rioting. The Sun is more than capable of whipping up a rioting frenzy if it so chooses.

Op why don't you reread your original post.

It is utterly ridiculous, and you should have it removed before it causes you further embarrassment.

The Sun are trying to increase their profits by selling 'panic', 'panic they know very well won't happen, it is is a very old trick, that most people understand and ignore it, clearly there are a few exceptions, you being one.

Feel free to stockpile away You will be eating beans for ten years but keep going!

I would like to riot, and I am terrified and furious, but it feels so fucking pointless. I actually thought about going into politics after the referendum as I was so insenced, but Labour don't represent my views anymore and I'm worried about the crap females in politics get. Maybe when I'm older.

You lost me when you started saying "fake news" also I don't think rationing could be that bad if it did happen. We managed before we'll manage again... doesn't mean j believe any of it thouvgh

I would like to riot

Good job you didn't go into politics, then.

Probably just a stash of finest sicilian sardines for Larry.
Love it!

I have more confidence that they’ve come to their senses and realise the only workable solution is a ‘soft Brexit’. Basically Brexit in name only. They say that 80% of the negotiations have been conducted, our politicians just piss about whilst civil servants that actually Understand what they’re doing have carried out the negotiations and the only conclusion to that (which most sensible people realised all along) is that we just have to do what the EU tell us. We have no negotiating powers and never did. We can’t afford to lose 1000s of jobs and big businesses and the government knows we’d never recover from that. Davis himself had only been in 4 hours of talks, he was just a silly figurehead. If Johnson, Davis, R-M et.al thought there were any hope of having a hard Brexit why did they all agree to the proposal of a soft Brexit last week? If they truly, truly believed it was workable and worth fighting for they would be mounting a challenge, as it is they are sloping off to hide under a rock until the whole sorry affair is over. Don’t panic yet OP.

LOL at you believing something written in The Sun.

Yes, Brexit is going to be tough and shit but we're not going to turn into a 3rd world country.

How would rioting help anything?