To wonder why we aren't rioting in the streets?

[Danniz]

So:
The government is about to begin stockpiling processed food in case the country is plunged into chaos by a “no deal” Brexit.
In just over half a year the UK is going to be wrecked for decades to come. We're looking at rationing, for God's sake. Power cuts. Mass unemployment. The loss of our employment and human rights. The new Health Secretary has allegedly received 10s of 1000s from the head of a thinktank that wants to abolish the NHS. There is no plan for the future. Not even the most ardent of the Brexiter politicians that got us into this mess are pretending that we aren't looking at massive economic and social problems.
Isn't it time for us as ordinary citizens who, with our children, will pay for this fiasco to start demonstrating, meeting our MPs, doing anything else that might possibly help to stop this? I don't just mean the demonstration that took place in London, and the others around the country - I mean serious numbers of people, making their voices heard. Because we will all suffer the very serious consequences of this mess.

So the white paper is finally out.
As expected it pleases no one.

What I really don't get is the obsession with ending FOM as we know it.
Stats from 2017 show net migration figures of 90k from EU countries and 200k from non EU countries. If we were to bring down EU migration to nil, we'd STILL have over twice the HO target of 100k net migration per year. 90k is well below that target. FOM actually makes population movement easier in both directions, both inward and outward, so it's simply not the problem.
The posted workers directive admittedly did a lot of harm and caused the EU bad PR but the UK is leaving just as this is being addressed!

We need people to know what is likely to happen, so that they are not hit by it with no chance to prepare themselves.

This is such patronising leftie shite. The poor little people are too stupid to understand, but if they’d just listen to a few lectures from woke trendy earnest lefties then the scales would fall from their eyes.

It’s bullshit, people knew exactly what the were voting for and that included accepting a level of uncertainty.

The latest polls say 70% support Brexit now. Largely driven by shock at the EUs intransigence and attempts to punish.

It's not Lefty (I am a right-leaning) but the level of ignorance about the EU and the consequences of Brexit is frankly astonishing.

The 70% you talk about is actually those who believe the government is making a mess of negotiations. NOt support for Brexit.

What is clear is that brexit is going to leave this country a lot poorer.

70%?? Where did that figure come from?

Most polls still showing quite small margins although moving slowly in favour of Remain

www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/blogs/peter-kellner/new-polling-analysis-reveals-that-a-second-referendum-would-swing-to-remain

And of course people didn't know what they were voting for, the government itself can't decide what Brexit means so how were the public supposed to know?

The latest polls say 70% support Brexit now.

Source?

Not quite what I found:
whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-there-was-a-referendum-on-britains-membership-of-the-eu-how-would-you-vote-2/
whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/
whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-think-britain-was-right-or-wrong-to-vote-to-leave-the-eu/

But also:
yougov.co.uk/news/2018/06/23/eu-referendum-two-years/

the 70% seem to be the ones thinking Brexit is going badly!

Maybe if end consumers paid a fair price for their meat and veg and it wasn't a race to the bottom then British farmers wouldn't be forced out of business and we'd be better equipped to support ourselves.

(I voted remain)

people knew exactly what the were voting for and that included accepting a level of uncertainty.

So, they didn't really know what they were voting for...

The so-called "punishment" is asking the UK to abide by EU laws if we want certain privileges in the EU.

When we were in the EU we wanted all the opt-outs now we are out of the EU we want all the Opt-Ins. No wonder we look unreliable and weak.

I haven't read the full thread, but I am extremely apprehensive about the consequences of Brexit, like many others on here.
Before the referendum, there was never any acknowledgment from the Leave campaign that no deal was a realistic option. The rhetoric was consistently along the lines of 'Oh, of course we'll get a deal, the EU will be desperate to trade with us'.
There was never mention of what may happen without a deal.
It is scary.
I have just signed up to the Lib Dems Exit from Brexit campaign, which aims to give us a final say on wheter or not to accept whatever the final deal (or not) happens to be.
Not sure if anyone else has referenced it, but the link is here
www.libdems.org.uk/exit-brexit?

The thing that gives me a wry smile is the idea that ANY of our current politicians could organise stockpiling of anything; they can't even organise themselves, so come the apocalypse they'll no doubt still be "inameeting" and whining about "the cuts"

Eyes the cats' thighs in a thoughtful manner ...

Purringkittenmama - Put simply were lied to. Lied to about the £350 million for the NHS, lied to about staying in the single market, lied to about the divorce bill, lied to about the prospects of new free trade deals.

The only solution is a second referendum now we are clearer about the truth.

SoloD
I agree with everything you say.
Unfortunately, I don't think a second referendum will happen but I wish it would...

Some things (but not many) will grind to a halt the day after a no-deal Brexit, unless the government manages to negotiate a stop-gap deal. Isotopes for medical treatment is one, as is air travel.

Most things, such as food importation, will carry on, albeit with some hiccups and delays.

The thing to do is write to govt and MPs and generally campaign to get deals on the key at-risk areas. Foreign doctors in the NHS is another one: work out a deal for them now, so that medical services are not interrupted. Unfortunately, we (or rather the tory party) is stuck at phase one: shall we have a hard, soft or in-between Brexit?

Mother
Remain would certainly be my preferred option.
I think the problem with the previous referendum was that no-one who voted leave actually had a clue what they were voting for, and their reasons for voting leave differed wildly.
No deal was never presented as in any way realistic and yet now it seems a definite possibility if not a probabiility.
I assume if no deal had been considered an attractive option before the referendum, the Leave campaign may well have highlighted its merits as a fall back position if a deal couldn't be reached.
They never did this, they always claimed a deal was bound to be agreed because the EU would want it so much. I assume that, had they discussed it, the nightmarish consequences would then have been aired openly and no-one in their right mind would have voted to leave.
Leave is a disaster waiting to happen.
As SoloD said, now that we have more information, surely we need another referendum.

Essentially the vote to leave was a vote against rather than for something. Against the EU, austerity, Cameron. And that's the problem because now no one knows what leavers want as a result of leaving. At least if we had another referendum to vote either for the deal or for remain we would know where we stood as a country.

I should have added that the Exit Brexit campaign does give an option for remaining.
(Although I do support the Lib Dems, I am not a party member/ activist or anything else connected with them over and above being a voter)!

The sun and the times are both Murdoch papers aren’t they?

Why is the government stockpiling food?

Or, you can try and approach it with a more positive attitude and make the best of the cards dealt you, awful as they may or may not be.

I wonder if those who protested against Eastern Bloc communism thought like that. No doubt on a day to day basis you have to try to make the best of it, but that is a whole world away from switching off and accepting with resignation.

The only part of the Leave vote which was For anything, was those who thought they were voting for more money for the NHS. They were quickly disabused - within 24 hours if my memory serves me correctly.

Live calculator on what brexit as cost so far (over £47 billion) with costings of what we could have bought instead.
brexitbollox.000webhostapp.com/index.html

Bloody hell, Woman.

People may be interested in this - Dominic Cummings (leading Brexit campaigner) explaining why the Leave campaign should not have a plan - basically so that everyone could impose their own meaning on what Leaving meant. How this ties in with everyone knowing what they voted for is beyond imagination.

dominiccummings.com/2015/06/23/on-the-referendum-6-exit-plans-and-a-second-referendum/

So when it doesn’t suit the liberals the daily mail and the sun is trash and whenits suits it’s the gospel

You need to make up your mind if your source is the sun then