To wonder why we aren't rioting in the streets?

[Danniz]

So:
The government is about to begin stockpiling processed food in case the country is plunged into chaos by a “no deal” Brexit.
In just over half a year the UK is going to be wrecked for decades to come. We're looking at rationing, for God's sake. Power cuts. Mass unemployment. The loss of our employment and human rights. The new Health Secretary has allegedly received 10s of 1000s from the head of a thinktank that wants to abolish the NHS. There is no plan for the future. Not even the most ardent of the Brexiter politicians that got us into this mess are pretending that we aren't looking at massive economic and social problems.
Isn't it time for us as ordinary citizens who, with our children, will pay for this fiasco to start demonstrating, meeting our MPs, doing anything else that might possibly help to stop this? I don't just mean the demonstration that took place in London, and the others around the country - I mean serious numbers of people, making their voices heard. Because we will all suffer the very serious consequences of this mess.

Not sure why you're on this thread then.

Regardless of how people feel about it, Brexit has happened because the majority wanted it. Deal with it. Just like you deal with the political party in power that you didn't vote for.

No one has any prior experience in something like Brexit. Neither the EU, nor the UK or the other countries. There will be some posturing and propoganda that comes with the territory. Also, neither will want to come out with the poorer deal or appear to make concessions.

It is in no one's interest to punish the other. Eventually, after a lot of to and fro, the parties involved will come to a sensible deal and will make compromises. Until then, all we can do is to stop making ourselves look like pillocks.

The problem is that with a political party you get to vote them out in 5 years, or they can be held to account by parliament. Brexit it seems can be neither.

The EU has experience of Brexit, Greenland left.

nervousnails

That would be fine except there is a specific group trying to engineer a chaotic Brexit - some with the aim of using it as an excuse to demolish regulation - some others wanting to use it as an excuse to stir up hatred as people look for someone to blame. The sensible compromises you are talking about are precisely the ones that the Daily Mail and the like are screaming "treason"over.

There are sensible solutions such as joining the existing structures of EFTA/EEA - these aren't as good as Remaining but would certainly mitigate the damage. But the time to negotiate such a compromise is running out. Waiting to the last moment in the hope that the EU will give us some cake-and-eat it deal is not a sensible strategy - the EU is not going to stop us committing economic suicide if we insist on doing so.

Brexit means Brexit
Guinea pigs are pigs

*certainly with no deal, which will be fine.

And all you people terrified and angry about what this will mean will just have to suck it up.

Because you lost.*

The glibness of this statement is staggering. It makes me so mad I want to hurl my phone at the wall.

I can’t believe we are hurling towards this no-deal cliff; especially since at the time of the referendum, we were essentially told that we would get a great deal.

Look. If you genuinely believe that YOU have the power to stop this happening why are you here theorising about it?

OP is correct in that sense..why aren't you out on the streets protesting and getting it changed if you really believe you have the power to do that?

Or do you think TM sits in her office everyday refreshing MN threads and shivering in fear at the collective expressed ire of MN? Yes, maybe that will stop Brexit!

Or maybe you know that actually it doesn't matter a shiny shit what any of us think because This is going to happen (stick that on a bus and drive it wherever you like).

In which case my earlier point stands. If you are powerless to stop it happening then all that's left to you is HOW you deal with it.

You can moan and grown and accuse all day long. Achieving precisely nothing.

Or, you can try and approach it with a more positive attitude and make the best of the cards dealt you, awful as they may or may not be.

That's it really. That's all there is. Change it or deal with it. But you are achieving nothing on here.

This was wholly foreseen. But a lot of people who voted for Brexit don't like having it pointed out that they made a mistake.
Brexit means brain damage.

I have to ask, to everyone who thinks 'it'll be fine' what they think those of us who are going to lose our jobs, and careers should do?

I'm in a specialist, senior role in the aviation industry. My employer, and competitors, are all pulling out in the event of a hard brexit. Its terrifying to think in 12 months time I am likely to be redundant, unable to feed my children, pay my mortgage, and desperately looking for work with thousands of others. I can't afford to retrain, and I can't see the government funding that either.

In my company alone, there's likely to be 15,000 redundancies.

Brexit means brain damage.
Please don't do this, stop equating disability and things you find wrong or stupid. It's offensive.

Whoever said it's about winning or losing, WE ARE ALL GOING TO LOSE. And our children will be the ones inheriting this shit.

"Shut up because you can't do anything about it" So how do people think anything is ever achieved in politics. There are many things I never thought I'd see - gay marriage, peace in Northern Ireland, the end of apartheid. Were these things achieved by people shutting up about them?

How do we know what has been achieved on this thread? Maybe someone lurking has decided to go on the next demo rather than just give up? Maybe someone who's beginning to have real doubts about whether their vote for Brexit has realised that the "silly regulations" myth is exactly that - a myth.

If everybody who said "Nothing can be done" actually did something things would change.

If a few people who read this thread stockpile some food because of it, that could make a big difference to them post-Brexit. That on its own would make this thread worthwhile.

Why are there total arses on this thread trying to shut down discussion by filling the thread with nonsense? Real believers in a democratic society eh? Why are you so scared of people having a genuine discussion?

There is no point stockpiling food unless you have a gun.

Someone bigger and stronger than me will just take any stockpile away from me.

Eventually, after a lot of to and fro, the parties involved will come to a sensible deal and will make compromises.

The thing is, the UK has more to lose. And the UK decided to leave.
Not only that, but the UK (government) don't know what they want.
It's difficult to get a good deal in these conditions.

Someone bigger and stronger than me will just take any stockpile away from me.

Yes they will.

You could create food and booze time capsules. Make a game of it for the thieves.

BTW, if you look it up, Greenland leaving the then EEC, as a country of Denmark and due to its location, is a very different case from the UK. It can't really be compared.

One benefit will be the re-emergence of smuggling as an significant economic activity.

Even with a reasonably sensible and united government, it could only ever have been a huge mistake. We are leaving a massive and powerful trading block. We will be almost the only country in the world that is outside some kind of trading block. On our own and with a government that is at war with its own citizens - other countries will make mincemeat of what is left of the UK. And that will include leave voters.

There is no point stockpiling food unless you have a gun
This wasn't on a bus either.

Someone bigger and stronger than me will just take any stockpile away from me
Arm all the women, set the men to work growing their brexit spuds and building renewable energy sites to keep the NI lights on?

The EU have already pointed out that this isn't a traditional negotiation. There are set rules of the EU. It is up to us what we want to have. So we can't have three out of four freedoms of the single market, but if we want to leave everything then we become a third country.

The problem for us is staying in the single market is anathema to the hard liners who are now intent on making things so difficult we crash out, and becoming a third country is economic suicide as well as in breach of the GFA.

The Tories are having to choose between losing votes from leavers who are upset at not becoming a third country and losing votes from pretty much everyone when they hard brexit and trash the economy.

But there are elements in the Tory party who see pound signs from a hard brexit and would likely not worry too much about losing their seat. After all once we hard brexit it will take years to rejoin. Also they are probably hoping that the economy will decline slowly but surely, with a change of government not long after brexit so they can blame the Labour party for all the subsequent difficulties.

The S*n 😂

We moved on. See other sources, stop ignoring the issue.

Rioting should never be the answer to any question. It's violent and gets out of control and then a lot of innocent people have to deal with feeling scared and intimidated. So YABU to think that we should be rioting.