To wonder why we aren't rioting in the streets?

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So:
The government is about to begin stockpiling processed food in case the country is plunged into chaos by a “no deal” Brexit.
In just over half a year the UK is going to be wrecked for decades to come. We're looking at rationing, for God's sake. Power cuts. Mass unemployment. The loss of our employment and human rights. The new Health Secretary has allegedly received 10s of 1000s from the head of a thinktank that wants to abolish the NHS. There is no plan for the future. Not even the most ardent of the Brexiter politicians that got us into this mess are pretending that we aren't looking at massive economic and social problems.
Isn't it time for us as ordinary citizens who, with our children, will pay for this fiasco to start demonstrating, meeting our MPs, doing anything else that might possibly help to stop this? I don't just mean the demonstration that took place in London, and the others around the country - I mean serious numbers of people, making their voices heard. Because we will all suffer the very serious consequences of this mess.

Surely there will be pleanty of food when we feast on our dead, who will obviously be littering the streets?

@lewji have you lived out of the EU?

Yes, I remember how it was before we (not UK) joined. It is better within the EU, although we didn't start from the same position as a country like the UK.

The EU is a fairly small (and increasingly) isolated part of the world.

That is the point of the EU. If the EU is small, countries within it are even smaller and have joined forces to increase their importance in relation to other world economic powers.

Divided countries in Europe are weak in relation to the US, China, India, for example. The EU might have some bargaining power.
The UK, separated, particularly in the context of a hard Brexit, starts from a weaker position.
It's interesting that European countries that have not wanted to join the EU, have either joined Schengen, or have deals that fall just short of full membership.
The dream of a hard Brexit is damaging compared to staying, and the solution of soft Brexit just covers the damage with patches. I can't see how either is of interest to the UK, compared to the upheaval of leaving.

All laws will be null and void and we will face a period of total anarchy predicted in the bible!!!

People keep saying votes would be very different if we redid the referendum tomorrow and i believe they would be different. The fact remains we are not getting another one so why pin your hopes on it suddenly being overturned

But what if we could get another vote. It’s not a fact that there will be no future vote. Unlikely, maybe?

But I’m clinging to hope I’m also planning to stockpile coffee and chocolate, leavings going to be shit. I’m not going through caffeine withdrawal at the same time

The sun will drop out of the sky!!!!

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What will rioting solve? People breaking store windows, stealing what are not theirs, ruining cars, etc? If we are in deep shit because of Brexit, I blame the people who voted for it in the first place

I actually garde that rioting wouldn’t help. Actually it wouod only serve to aupportbyhe idea that Remainers (or soft brexiters) are not to be believed or trusted.
But rallies, massive rallies, even bigger than the ones we had against the war in Irak, yes.

If 52% of people voted for A Brexit, then 48% didn’t. That’s a hell of a lot of people who are deeply unhappy with what is happening now.
Add the soft brexiters, the Ines who voted for Norway type of agreement (that we seem to going away from) that’s more than half of the population.
Then add te fact that NO ONE in the Leave campaign ever said we wouod end up with No Deal, the e Rhine, bar the most extreme brexiters will be unhappy with the way things are going.

And yes I really do believe that things would be different if people were in the street, PEACEFULLY manifesting their disagreement with the governemnet and the way things are currently handled.

As for making the Leavers responsible. I used to think that.
Now I think they’ve been lied to and manipulated for the personal gain of some politicians (Gove and Johnson being the primes suspects there)
I think the people responsible are ALL the politicians who are putting party, personal gain and internal politics well above what is actually good for the country. And I include conservatives and labour in there.

Oh, dear me.

Not only does the EU have many trade deals with other countries or is currently negotiating them the ones where it doesn't, like the USA, was partly due to massive public disquiet as to the terms. If the EU didn't have enough bargaining power to get a good deal with the US why on earth would the UK do any better?

If we simply say to the USA "we'll do everything you want" then I daresay we'll find it easy to get an FTA with the USA.

The tides will go out of whack and the whole of the UK will sink into the depths of the ocean!!!

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Will that help? Wont we just be smushed?

The right wingers in the Tory party have made it very clear that they want rid of employment rights and human rights. Once they get Brexit through, these will be top of their list. The working poor who voted for Brexit will suffer the most.
Those who are well qualified and bright and not too old may be able to get out. Some have already done so, or are preparing to go. Other Europeans who we need to come to work in the UK will be far less keen to do so, even if our immigration law allows them to.

Will that help? Wont we just be smushed?

The stuff they sell in spain might help.

The EU sets external tarrifs and very strict regulations to improve internal trade, this makes trade with non-member states difficult

Hmm... two things come to mind
There is no Trade deal atm with India. It hasn’t stopped anyone in the EU to trade with India. It’s not because there is no trade deal that you can’t trade. Germany is trading more with India than the U.K. What have they done that the U.K. has missed (esp seen the ‘special’ relationship we shouod have with India)
So it’s not a case that not having a trade deal is making things difficult. No trade deal,isnthe mormal starting point for everyone.
But trade deals DO make rade easier between those two countries - hence the fact the HUNDREDS of deals that the EU has signed is helping the EU and the U.K. (!!) a hell of a lot.
Trade deal also take a very long time to set up (10 years not uncommon) which basically means that, starting from scratch, the U.K. will have at the very least 10 years of bloody hard work maintaining its trade until we have the first few deals signed off....

I have to say, I’m really not sure it’s worth it, esp as the EU will have had plenty of other deal signed during that time!

The right wingers in the Tory party have made it very clear that they want rid of employment rights and human rights. Once they get Brexit through, these will be top of their list. The working poor who voted for Brexit will suffer the most

This will happen without a shadow of a doubt. The unimpeded erosion of employment rights will harm millions, badly, and eventually, it will become clear how much we had to lose.

if the government had had a real will, they could have started preparations for March next year

They should have started before the vote.
But they didnt' think the public would vote out.
that's not the publics fault.

Honestly, you would think we had never survived two World Wars as a country

You do realise that somebody has to live through tumultuous, difficult times in history?

It just so happens it's going to be us living through Brexit. We are going to have to deal with it, wether we like it or not. End of. Just like all the poor buggers before us who had to deal with stuff they didn't sign up for.

I'm sure that we will survive, and come out the other side, and have a future as a country.

It's hardly comparable to times of genuine hardship and danger, which we have faced as a country in the past, and will no doubt face again.

Perspective people, perspective!

The dead will raise and start taking our jobs!

I think people have convinced themselves we are going back into the great depression of the 1930s. I might set up a speakeasy just in case.

I'd just like to point out my posts are joking, as there is always at least one person on here who takes them seriously and then spends pages arguing with me.

Right, so if we had said in the referendum that things will get really shit for quite a while and then we will still be worse off than when we were in the EU when things get better, that would have won the vote?

No, the leave campaign promised a land of milk and honey and screamed project fear at any negative points and possibilities being raised.

The only thing that warms me about this is that its the areas that voted overwhelmingly for Brexit that will be hit hardest.

Own your victory.

YCetc but we're not at war. We are in a time of peace and prosperity. Why should we accept that just randomly getting trashed?

I’m a remainer but our employment rights are already better than those in the EU, so why haven’t the Tory party already reduced them?

I think people have convinced themselves we are going back into the great depression of the 1930s. I might set up a speakeasy just in case.

The Star has theorised that we might go back to black and white, so you could be right.

I respect the vote. I am a remainer but I still respect the vote so now we have to get on with it and make the best of it. Lots of people knew they were gong to be worse off but still were happy for that to happen as they were not voting for financial reasons.

Mrsc, I am a remainer and a Tory. The Coalition did increase the qualifying period for unfair dismissal to 2 years from 1 year and they also increased tribunal fees so high people stopped claiming although I thnk the courts just over turned that so it's not quite right that the Tories have not reduced some employment rights.