To post on trans issues in the Feminist Chat forum?

[DadJoke]

I've been posting a lot on trans issues over in feminist chat. I am keenly aware that it's primarily a women's forum, for women to discuss issues pertaining to their needs. I also know that the presence of men in women's spaces can undermine useful discussions and become "all about the men"

When I say women, I include transwomen. I know many of you don't, but that's not at all what this AIBU is about.

So, am I making a useful contribution to the debate, or undermining it?

Oh piss off

Lol. If you said that on FWR you'd be banned.

Top work though - it seems to have done the job

If I keep answering questions, which continue to be asked, this thread will do on forever...

Nah... What you really mean, DadJoke, is that if you keep participating in this thread you'll eventually have to answer some of the trickier questions you've been asked. And from where I'm sitting you're not in the strongest position.

I'd be happy to engage privately if anyone wants to

And there we get to the crux of the matter.

I'd be happy to engage privately if anyone wants to

Isn't that called Grooming?

We fundamentally disagree on the definition of woman.

No. YOU do not get to define what a woman is.

Your apparent purpose of this thread was determine whether you should post on these forums? No. Please stop. Please stop being another man defining what a woman is. Please stop being another man telling a woman what she should accept. What she should be ok with.

You are not contributing through your “respectful” opinions.

I'd be happy to engage privately if anyone wants to

In the unisex bathroom, perchance?

Eww. My skin's gone all itchy now.

BlackDog what you said about sexism hits the nail on the head. Imagine all those men who discriminate against women at work and elsewhere, they can just say 'I'm a woman', organisations who don't promote women or have women in senior positions just say but X is actually female, it's like the 'Twinky defence.'

What is your horse in this race, dad? Why do you want to be segregated away from any transwomen - sticking them in our spaces whether we want them or not?

JaquesHammer Urgh! I meant I'd be happy to continue further debate with any person without clogging up the boards.

Prawnofthepatriarchy I really, really want to keep posting on this thread, but most posters think I shouldn't. I've really screwed things up and I am sorry I came barging into your space.

So there’s a difference between non-trans women and trans women but no difference between women and trans women? are you serious right now?

And not being attracted to an Asian person as per your example is NOT the same as having a sexual orientation. Stop it.

Urgh! I meant I'd be happy to continue further debate with any person without clogging up the boards

Course you did.

“Clogging up the boards” by responding on your single thread in AIBU? You’ve got delusions of grandeur dude.

Cause the fact that you insist that genders - when you acknowledge that sex is real, empirically verifiable and you say you are "conflicted" on gender - are what spaces/stats/whatever should be defined by, it looks like you are afraid to be near GNC males. Are you worried it is contagious?

I'll say it once more, for those at the back... race is a construct based on varying clusters of genetic bits and bobs. It is not a binary. Sex is.

You can't even flounce and mean it, can you?

Can't even do one, single, solitary post that doesn't demonstrate male entitlement to women's space and attention.

You really are a one-man advert for single sex spaces.

Nope Lang he like one of them bluebottles that u think u got rid off then they just turn up in another room still buzzing away.

Littlbrowndog your short pithy posts often remind me of haiku. Poetry.

I feel mine are often too long. But if I take the time to edit them the thread will have moved on. So I post essays.

Clogging up the boards? 😂😂😂😂

Ah, as I said, a category error, or two, or three.

"this thread will go on forever"

😂 nah mate, there's a 1000 post cap. Your opinion isn't so amazing and novel that mn will lift that for you!

Because I find it useful myself to engage with people I disagree with, because it makes me reconsider my position

However despite the fact that this is a women's issue that affects women and not you, you have totally disregarded our point of view. Is it only men who can make you reconsider?

So there’s a difference between non-trans women and trans women but no difference between women and trans women?

You are still reading OP, you can't even flounce properly, please answer.

Keep posting @DadJoke and actually answer the questions rather than have fun tying esoteric knots.
Why is a woman called a non- trans woman rather than a woman?
Why is it ok for someone to bring their penis into a woman-only space?
Why do lesbians have to swear they'll have sex with trans women or risk being called transphobic?
Why is it transphobic to disagree with even one thing a trans person wants?
Are people allowed to be gay /lesbian anymore?

Annnnnd, he’s back. Quelle Surprise.

So there’s a difference between non-trans women and trans women but no difference between women and trans women?

The difference is that he is allowed to only have sex with women because it is important for a man to be able to exclude people, whilst us 'non-trans woman' are not allowed to exclude trans women from our non-trans spaces because it would be transphobic to do so.

HemanOrSheRa What is a non-trans woman?

I am sat here asking the same thing...

You really are a one-man advert for single sex spaces

Preach that. Seriously doesn't know that when in a hole, stop digging.