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...to be absolutely delighted that Boris has resigned as Foreign Secretary?

592 replies

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 09/07/2018 15:06

That's all, folks! Goodness only knows what happens now. But at least that Grade A twat is no longer representing us abroad.

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Heyduggeesflipflop · 09/07/2018 17:05

Be careful what you wish for - better Boris than one of corbyn Islington set

BlitheringIdiots · 09/07/2018 17:05

Boris for PM!

ChampagneontheNHS · 09/07/2018 17:08

I’m also terrified of Jacob Rees-Mogg ending up as PM or...Minister for Wimmenz & Equality for Some Not All.

lifeisabeachsometimes · 09/07/2018 17:10

We are seeing the end game of Theresa's May Premiership. You can celebrate if you want to op, but I do feel it will be incredibly short lived when we see what happens next.

I am apprehensive about this, very apprehensive. The government could collapse at the worst possible moment. Maybe it it needs to happen as we can not carry on as we are anyway.

A disorderly brexit could be on the cards.

Heyduggeesflipflop · 09/07/2018 17:14

Brexit is a red herring compared to the abject lunacy that would be a corbyn government supported by ‘run on the pound’ McDonnell.

Seasawride · 09/07/2018 17:14

Heyduggies

Both as bad as each other really.

One lot will ruin the economy because they are rich, born rich and don’t care as their friends and family will be fine and the other lot will ruin the economy because they can’t do basic maths (Abbott) and don’t care about business or enterprise as really they are communists. But of course just like ‘4 legs good 2 legs bad’ they and they’re friends will thrive and become the fat pigs like Putin.

Lib Dem’s will continue to tree hug.

Weep people weep.

greencatbluecat · 09/07/2018 17:14

YABU. We might have Boris as PM soon and Gove or that twat Rees-Mogg as Foreign Secretary.... which is far far worse than what we have now.

GhostofFrankGrimes · 09/07/2018 17:16

Brexit was always going to end in disaster. Let the history books record that it was on the Tories watch.

Heyduggeesflipflop · 09/07/2018 17:16

Seas

Sadly you are spot on..,

ChampagneontheNHS · 09/07/2018 17:17

I live in a European country where I’m not allowed citizenship unless I give up my Brit passport, which for some strange reason I still don’t want to do. I’m also not allowed to vote in the UK because I’m not resident there any more. If people like me had been allowed to vote in the Brexit referendum the result would have been different, I’m sure.
Yes, Gareth Southgate for Foreign Secretary. He would be a true diplomat and a gentleman (at present time of thinking, anyway).

UneMoonit · 09/07/2018 17:17

Don't think we need to discuss whether the referendum "really applies" any more. Yes it's binding, it's a democratic decision taken and whichever way you voted if the government start ignoring votes that's, well, fascism. Needs to be done without even more faffing about.

The thing that concerns me is we seem to have a lot of politicians who... I don't mean to sound horrible but come across as less capable than the average person.

At a difficult time with complex issues and high stakes I can't see a team on offer that I'd choose to run a chip shop, let alone get the country through brexit.

Bluntness100 · 09/07/2018 17:22

Brexit was always going to end in disaster. Let the history books record that it was on the Tories watch

This is contradictory, as you said, it was always going to end in disaster, it's irrelevant of which party was in power to take it through. No one can do this well. No one. It's the ultimate no win situation.

Brexit being a disaster is not due to who is in power, it simply couldn't be anything else.

However the least I would expect is that those responsible for it, do their best, and Boris has shown his career is more important to him than helping the country.

NanaNoodleman · 09/07/2018 17:23

Legally the referendum is not binding. There is no argument there at all. It can be ignored and in my view, should be, on the grounds that to it is impossible to give effect to the result and damaging to the country to try.

QuiteUnfitBit · 09/07/2018 17:24

BBC reporting that there may be enough MPs to force a confidence vote in TM.

RayneDance · 09/07/2018 17:26

I'm not worried at all.
I've just watched the darkest hour, it was shambolic back then too.

Any major political movements will cause earthquakes. I've never been sure what people on either side ever expected. Of course there will resignations, too and fro.. Angst.. Un certainty. Can anyone point to major political up heaval where there wasn't.

It's about time the whole of Parliament got behind brexit and got the best deal for the UK instead of trying to stall and mess about.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/07/2018 17:26

Another fan - of Gareth Southgate for Foreign Secretary!

He's intelligent, makes plans in advance, is diplomatic and is a credit to the country
I celebrated when we won the 1966 World Cup and Gareth brings me the first real hope I'll celebrate a 2nd one.

He's a miracle-maker, which we need in politics too !

NanaNoodleman · 09/07/2018 17:26

And what is the best deal for the uk?

viques · 09/07/2018 17:27

I would be happier about BJ gong if I didn't see Rees Mogg and Gove poised in the wings with their running brogues on...."

CornishMaid1 · 09/07/2018 17:28

I do feel very sorry for TM because she has so many around her willing to stab her in the back over it.

The problem with Brexit is there is no easy solution. It is not as simple as left-remain and right-leave, so they cannot even come up with a solution along party lines (I am a Tory remainer). The options are:-

  1. Stay in the EU, ignore the referendum and carry on as we are. That is really the best option for the country. We can work to reform the EU from the inside (yes people say we can't but we pick MEPs who hate the EU and don't turn up - if they did their jobs we may get somewhere).

From that we can look at why people voted leave and work on that. A big issue was immigration, but we can look at bring in ID cards with EU residents and using the powers we would have to remove unemployed EU migrants if we used the legal means available.

The problem is that the majority who voted did vote to leave and it would be going against 'the will of the people'. The party would likely end up unelectable, there is likely to be protests, riots etc and the politicians do not want it.

  1. We leave the EU, but have a middle ground. Either we stay in the customs union or have some form of agreement like Norway. That is the best form of 'leave', but would annoy the remainers (as they want to remain) and annoy the staunch leavers - it is trying to find middle ground between two polar opposites and losing as no-one gets what they want.

It would give the single market access which is great, but you still have to follow rules set by the EU and for example accept EU immigration. It is essentially what we have now but worse - yes we would not have the ECJ, but rather than having a say we have to follow what the EU say. We would still pay in, would lose any rebates and payments back (we do get money back now) and would lose our say (for example we opted out of taking more refugees that had ended up in Europe because we could, but could be made to take more under freedom of movement).

  1. We have a hard Brexit. The staunch leaves would get what they want, but no-one else would. There would serious implications for the economy - for example we would lose banking business from London and you have to remember that the bankers are big earners and therefore pay a lot in tax that would be lost. If the economy falters everyone suffers.

Whichever way TM goes is going to be hated by some people and there is no easy compromise. The best thing would be to remain and take steps to cut down the EU's influence from here (after all France gets away with all sorts), but it would take a brave PM to make that decision for the country and none of them are brave enough to do it.

lifeisabeachsometimes · 09/07/2018 17:28

Yes confidence vote is coming, and my guess is she will lose to be replaced by a brexiteer PM and given the result of the referendum this should have happened anyway.

The country requires stability and calm, and a water tight plan. TM managed the first two and the last was due to the bad advice she was receiving (again) for her advisors, mainly Olly Robbins.

I have my money on JRM, Davis or Johnson as Deputy PM. It is just about to get very insteresting and I am not talking about the football.

Frazzled2207 · 09/07/2018 17:29

I hope that the EU is sympathetic when dealing with us and realised that it's not fair that the whole country should have to suffer just because it's led by a bunch of fools

NanaNoodleman · 09/07/2018 17:33

Mrs may is not a fool. What she has tried to do, like the decent and conscientious person she is, is find a way through this mess which does minimal violence to the “ will of the people” ( why does the triumph of the will pop into my mind whenever I hear that phrase I wonder) on the one hand and the national interest on the other.
The fools are the people who believed the liars who told them that we could wrench ourselves out of the eu quickly and without cost. They will find themselves in a mess with the rest of us but they deserve it. I don’t.

LuMarie · 09/07/2018 17:33

Oh no no no no no no.

He's resigned from cabinet post but he's not gone!

No confidence vote quite possible, who do you think will challenge May?

BoreOfWhabylon · 09/07/2018 17:33

I think May would love to walk away from the whole thing. She stays out of a sense of duty because she knows what an even worse dog's breakfast any of the others contenders would make of the whole ill-conceived Brexit mess.

I don't like her but I do (grudingly) admire her stance.

AMAWriter · 09/07/2018 17:35

I'm not a conservative and have always voted Labour. The only conservatives I think are talking any sense now are Ken Clarke and Michael Heseltine. It's like they are the grown ups and the current shower are the unruly children who are doing what they can to smash up the country. And the most unruly one of all was David Cameron, that twat who caused all this trouble and then buggered off.

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