David Davis resigning as Brexit Secretary

[Snickerdoodles]

Apparently David Davis has resigned as Brexit Secretary .

There’s a Guardian article here with reports that he may have resigned - www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/08/david-davis-resigns-as-brexit-secretary-reports-say.

Wondered how long until someone brought up the SAS! Page 2 isn't bad 😂 I'm glad he's gone, but I wish he'd gone at Chequers and done the long, instantly media famous walk down the drive without his car 😂

@AornisHades

we gave the job to a potato and now the potato has resigned. Is there anyone competent to appoint to the role? 😂

I love the headline on the Express - MAY TELLS EU IT'S TIME TO GET SERIOUS 😂

I wish he'd gone at Chequers and done the long, instantly media famous walk down the drive without his car 😂

The perp walk

And where's that nice Mr Cameron who got us all in this shit show?

Two years on and look how far we've got. Laughing stock.

Putting aside all the business about whether there should have been a better wording of the referendum, caveats about turnout being enshrined in the wording, whether it was advisory or not, how on earth did those same voters really think the totally divided Tories would be able to steer some sort of path through the shit their previous leader created and left them with?

He took on a role with a fixed end goal - crash out of the EU. Bolstered by two other ERG ideologues Steve Baker and Suella Fernández (now Braverman) they were never going to negotiate with the EU. From the very first meeting he swagered in with nothing not because he was stupid but because he wanted no deal. He has acted recklessly for his agenda and risked thousands of jobs and businesses. With three months to go he leaves. For months the PM has been doing his job not because she wanted to but because he did nothing. If she wasn't in a weak position she would have sacked him a long time ago. He is a thundering disgrace - this country deserves so much better.

Is it too late to stop this madness.

Why do the hard brexiteers think that it’s their way or no way.

Why did we not get a proper plan together before we triggered Article 50?

It is clear (has been forever) that the current government is not capable of getting a deal of any worth for the Uk.

I don’t think Labour would be any different.

But surely this is the time that we should be working together across political parties.

It was in fighting in this party that caused all this shit and enough is enough.

I want my kids to have a future.

We need a vote of No confidence, we need a general election and we need to dump these political parties.
And hope that the EU give us time to short our shit out in the hope that we will eventually remain a member

dump these political parties

Um, how do you propose Government would work after this general election where we dump our political parties?

We need new political parties. The ones we’ve got now are not fit for purpose.

Ta an embarrassment. Tories constant in fighting. Labour are so far apart too. I don’t know the answer but I want someone to represent me who is better than why we have currently.

If she wasn't in a weak position she would have sacked him a long time ago. He is a thundering disgrace - this country deserves so much better.

She put herself in a weak position by calling a pointless GE. Her tabloid chums told her she's d win a landslide. The country is getting what it deserves because it is what the country voted for.

calling people ‘thick’ just because they didn’t vote in the same was as You makes you come across as really childish.

I do not call him thick just because he didn't vote the same way as me. There are many leave campaigners and voters who I do not consider to be thick at all.

@Helmetbymidnight at 7:34 has it.

He's think because it's taken him nearly 26 months from the date of the vote to realise that a brexit that ticks all the boxes that the leave side want without destroying everything (the economy, the wellbeing of the majority working population, political stability in Ireland and Northern Ireland and other facets already done to death on other threads) is impossible. The non-thick brexiteers already knew this even before the vote but have reasons to support brexit which outweigh such considerations in their view (eg personal financial gain)

No, I didn't miss the bits about the impact assessments, but it depends what angle you are looking from. I wouldn't want to put any information out there if I were negotiating that might undermine my position, or be leaked to the EU; and with the wide range of variables, how can you have a definitive assessment?

As for DD not being the brightest star - I have to say that if those who wish to remain think the EU is a fluffy bunny benign entity, then they need to give their heads a wobble. It is about power, and power corrupts. It is about making money and concentrating power in the hands of the unelected EU Presidents and Commissioners.

Those who say 'reform from the inside', that will never happen. Those who weren't listening when Barroso said it was an empire, need to do some digging, and those who missed Juncker saying in 99 'We decide on something, leave it lying around and wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don't understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back.'

2005: 'If it's a Yes, we will say 'on we go', and if it's a No we will say 'we continue'.

2007: "Britain is different. Of course there will be transfers of sovereignty. But would I be intelligent to draw the attention of public opinion to this fact?"

"There is a single legal personality for the EU, the primacy of European law, a new architecture for foreign and security policy, there is an enormous extension in the fields of the EU's powers,'

2011: ' I'm ready to be insulted as being insufficiently democratic, but I want to be serious [...] I am for secret, dark debates.'

2015: 'There can be no democratic choice against the European treaties,'

As is often said on here, when someone tells you who they are, listen. I have been listening for a long time, and I do not like what I hear.

And you think they could be formed overnight if a snap general election is called?

Sadly not.

By the time we ever get there to sign a deal it will be so watered down it wont be worth the paper it is written on

It needs someone like trump to negotiate this that is not afraid to not conform or worry about pissing a people off

A quick look around the cabinet and shadow cabinet and they are all looking at the ground hoping not to get shoved on centre stage

The whole thing is an ocean going fur lined fuck up

People I know voted leave because of their perception of foreigners taking their jobs , houses etc , they need to have a good look at themselves as these people have moved countries to find better work or conditions and who can blame them while people without work dont seem to be bothered to move where the work is
Some of them dont even speak English and they have won jobs and taken over the market ( builders , plumbers fruitpickers etc )

Given that no-one, including the EU, had an idea of how to conduct Brexit, as a country voting to leave the EU has never happened before, then I would expect no-one to have a scoobie

I would have expected ALL politicians to have thought about this before the parliamentary vote on going ahead with the a referendum. There was no debate and minimal discussion.
As much as I have been disappointed in Anna Soubry she made the point that this was never debated never discussed in depth before it was decided and the vast majority of MP’s voted to have a referendum. All MP’s that supported this are guilty for supporting the referendum on such a monumental change in our country with so little discussion. And when UKIP had just done so well in an elections their poor judgement is astounding

The EU have a very clear idea of what will happen, and have been clear about it from the start.

We can have a Norway style arrangement.

We can have a Canada style arrangement.

There is no cherry picking, and the four freedoms are indivisible from membership of the single market.

What we can't have is all the benefits of EU membership and none of the responsibilities.

The EU has in fact been the clearest about this of all groups.

But the EU blaming is going to start, its their fault, not ours, and certainly not those who campaigned for this for decades.

Certainly not those who voted for it, either.

Losers always blame someone else.

No I don’t. But I think we should at least see if the EU will let us put the brakes on leaving.

Look at the Tory party especially. This is who is delivering Brexit for us.

They do not care about you & I. Most of them have got big enough pockets to withstand the impact of Brexit.

I don’t know the solution but I am angry, so very angry at the disdain that these people who are supposed to have represent us have for the British people.

It will be long term but I think British politics as we know it has had its day. We need to start again.

My local Tory MP has said "the PM needs to recognise that his resignation represents the views of many Conservative MPs, activists and voters"

Funny. Because it seems that a lot of the rabid Brexiteers seem to think that the PM shouldn't recognise the views of 48% of the population that didn't vote for Brexit and the best interests of the country and young people who couldn't vote and will have to live with the consequences.

but it depends what angle you are looking from. I wouldn't want to put any information out there if I were negotiating that might undermine my position, or be leaked to the EU; and with the wide range of variables, how can you have a definitive assessment?

That’s not so much an angle as complete fiction. If that’s what you’ve taken you might want to go back and look at what actually happened.

Agreed GhostofFrankGrimes but it makes me so sad.

120 messages, but can't quite see the "unreasonable" bit, yet ?

@DGRossetti You're right, and I normally pick up on those.

@Snickerdoodles What is your actual AIBU question?

Why can't Leavers see that Brexit is a poison chalice that no one wants to be in charge of because it's not possible to achieve?

JRM is the worst of the lot; heckling from the back benches with absolutely no intention of putting his neck on the line.

Speaking on LBC Radio just now, Jacob Rees-Mogg, said: "I don't think a no-confidence vote is immediately in the offing.

"I think what the prime minister needs to do is give up on the Chequers proposals which, David Davis has pointed out in his resignation letter, don't actually deliver Brexit."

He says he will "congratulate" Davis for resigning and shows what the PM is offering "isn't really

He says he has not personally sent a letter of no confidence in the PM to the 1922 Committee.

The problem is that people like JRM don't actually want to be in charge, just to heckle.

What they want is a crash out brexit so they can take advantage of the economic chaos afterwards.

JRM is a failure anyway, only where he is because of privilege and nepotism.

Am I being unreasonable to think he has actually resigned was the point. It was midnight and not clear what was going on, the reports were of "reports" with "more to follow". That's OP.

For me, AIBU to think leave the conversation alone if you don't like it, it's a good conversation!

@LuMarie Was it? I don't think there is an obvious AIBU. If you want a general conversation, that's what the Chat section is for.