To think people genuinely hate England?

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Is anyone else sick of seeing the anger/hatred towards England in the World Cup? This 'anyone but england' mentality from almost every other country is disheartening honestly. I've seen every excuse under the sun, we haven't played a proper team yet, 200,000 signatures to re-play the Colombia match because apparently that wasn't fair, blaming a few rowdy fans for not wanting England to win. I'm especially surprised by the amount of Scottish/Irish/Welsh people who seem to feel like this (on social media) i know we'd so be routing for our neighbours if it was the other way round! So... AIBU to think everyone just friggin hates England?!

@IcedPurple

Well, he's only the highest scorer in the World Cup. That's pretty average, in fairness. Pub side stuff.

LOL!

No, not resentful, just someone who has played and watched football since the age of 3 and likes to be entertained by slightly better goals than easy headers, penalties and deflections. My husband's English family also agree that England haven't played outstandingly well.

I don't think anyone - not even the 'arrogant' English - would say this is an outstanding team.

But the fact is they are in the semi-finals of the WC. That's a huge achievement. The fact that some are moaning about the lack of beautiful goals does definitely smack of resentment to me.

I'll be interested to see Wednesday's game as Croatia are battlers and will make England work for the first time really so I'm hoping it's a good game.

Yes, they had to battle to get past Denmark and Russia, two of the most mediocre teams to survive the group stages, needing penalties to progress in both cases. I'm sure you'd be quick to remind Croatian fans of that, just as you are to point out the supposed inadequacies of the England team.

Itsfriday,

Thanks, but you still don't know what you're talking about.

As another poster said, its pub team stuff innit.

England have played well, they have beaten what was in front of them, that's all you can do. In the knock outs they have also played against teams that went out with the purpose to play defensively and have been hard to break down.

But, if you knew what you were talking about you'd have realised that.

Taking his penalties off the tally would put him level with Lukaku and Cheryshev who have both scored 4 impressive, skillful goals actually. He is currently on track for the Golden Boot by default more than anything. Watch a replay of the Sweden game and just watch Kane the whole time then come back and tell me his contribution, other than telling Maguire to go for the corner. As a captain he should have stepped in in the Colombia game far sooner to calm his team down but he let them get wound up for too long.

I read the first few pages and as usual chuckled at the same bitter mums spouting their 6th form common room bollocks. You should feel sorry for them, those were their glory days and they have done little of note since.
Refreshing to see that normal, educated people have defended the normal educated view and made them look even more twattish than usual

OliviaPopeRules

Sorry but you are incorrect here. The Scottish were disproportionately represented in the higher posts in the empire.

You're deliberately misquoting me here. You missed the part where I say I'm not denying other British countries' involvement in the empire. The point is that the other countries don't matter as much in the grand scheme of the UK. The UK parliament is really the English parliament because all the other UK countries together can't change the outcome of what England votes for.

Well the fact remains there is more support for the far right in Germany than there is in the UK so maybe owning their past and learning from history hasn't worked too well.

They are doing much better in other matters though. Britain hasn't learned from it's history and it is pretty much throwing itself down the toilet right now. (And we still have PLENTY of people in Britain who would love a really far right party to win)

I can't continue replying as baby has just woken, but thanks for the debate!

Taking his penalties off the tally would put him level with Lukaku and Cheryshev who have both scored 4 impressive, skillful goals actually..

A goal is a goal is a goal.

He is currently on track for the Golden Boot by default more than anything

And here was me thinking that it was because he has scored more goals than any other player.

But no, you're not one bit resentful. That much is clear.

Topcat, you patronising twunt, go back and show me where I mentioned England's performance.

I'm not a fan of the style of football played in these competitions. That's why I have said.

Can I take a wild guess here - are you male?

@chrisinthesun

WTF are you on about? I don't have a bee in my bonnet about SAHMs, I've said so repeatedly.

And why the assumption that people choose to work solely in order for material gain? My sons will learn that Mummies too can be scientists and CEOs and work to provide for them. They're learning that Daddies can cook their dinner and change their bedsheets. It's about setting an example, not about buying gadgets. Oh and travel broadens the mind. You should try it (if your hubby is happy to fund it, of course).

What am I resentful of sorry? I've already said I'm supporting England. The only thing I'm resentful of is Southgate playing Sterling over Rashford and Loftus-Cheek.

This world cup has once again raised my severe dislike for the rampant mob mentality so prevalent among so many English people. I love my English DH and adore my English friends. But I abhor the faceless, brawling, arrogant, xenophobic mass of little Englanders both at home and worse abroad. While there is organised hooliganism among so many football nations, the English are by far the worst behaved and sadly reinforce this stereotype every, single time there is an international event! This level of mindless thuggery and OTT bullish behaviour, so early on in the cup is revolting. I get the rejoicing and excitement but both the media and so many English fans en masse just turn ugly at the drop of a pin. This is not a new thing. My DH said before Saturday’s game, how he dreaded the inevitable mindless violence if the England team loses. But he needn’t have worried about that as it does not seem to matter either way. I don’t even need to look at their colonial history to understand the dislike for the English among so many other countries, it’s the far more recent conduct during every single tournament, plus the antics of mass tourists that contribute to the widespread antipathy.

No, not resentful, just someone who has played and watched football since the age of 3 and likes to be entertained by slightly better goals than easy headers, penalties and deflections.

Yeah! I mean, it's not like only the skillful players can out themselves in those 'easy header' positions, draw a penalty or use a deflection, is it? ANY old numpty can do that!

Have a winge about the obscene amount of money they all get paid, you'd have a pint. But try and pretend that either Maguire of Dele Alli got in the way and the ball just bounced off them makes you look stupid.

Says someone who sat in the players box at Goodison when she was 3 and has been involved in performance analysis for over 20 years! Yay Top Trumps

As for haven't played well... okey dokey!! They have played up to their opponents, modified their game to suit. Something Germany, Brazil, Argentina and all of those REALLY good teams haven't managed to do! Croatia should be a good match! See what Southgate can pull out of his bag of tactical tricks this time!

As I said. The stereotypes are slipping, we English people suddenly don't seem quite so uniquely insular and racist any more!

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What am I resentful of sorry?

The English team and their success. What with your nit-picking over the 'quality' of the top scorer's goals and how he's only there by 'default', whatever the hell that means.

I've already said I'm supporting England.

So you say, but you've done nothing but try to pick holes in their success thus far this thread.

Interesting, you've got that manspalining down to a fine art and a knack for ploughing in with shite information that no one has asked for.

Not good qualities by the way.

While there is organised hooliganism among so many football nations, the English are by far the worst behaved and sadly reinforce this stereotype every, single time there is an international event!

I've asked this question already without a response, but can you detail for me all the arrests of English fans in Russia at this tournament?

I'm also a lifelong Chelsea fan and spent the whole season despairing of how awful they played. I despaired of Wales' awful performance in the qualifiers. I'm not sure why supporting a team means you can't criticise them?

Yeah! I mean, it's not like only the skillful players can out themselves in those 'easy header' positions, draw a penalty or use a deflection, is it? ANY old numpty can do that!

Apparantly he's only on track for the Golden Boot by 'default', not by the traditional method of scoring more goals than any other player.

Think someone is reading a newspaper for the 1970s an 80s. The Firm really doesn't exist in any meaningful form any more and the vandalism has been more mindless, celebratory fuckwittery than deliberate violence!

Still, you can't always get rid of those ingrained prejudices, can you?

Yeah! Nothing tactical or skilful here, move along...

Don't support England that's fine but your Anglophobia is very unpleasant

Whose sorry? Because I’ve actually defended the sweeping statements against English people and England.

Do be a dear and if you’re going to try and take the moral high ground, read the fucking thread first.

Oh and MNHQ aren’t so hot on deleting xenophobic posts, it’s a bugbear of mine.

I'm also a lifelong Chelsea fan and spent the whole season despairing of how awful they played. I despaired of Wales' awful performance in the qualifiers.

Wales didn't qualify for the WC. Chelsea only came 5th in the league. England, by contrast have exceeded all expectations and are in with a good chance of actually winning the thing for the first time in 52 years.

You honestly don't see a difference?

I'm not sure why supporting a team means you can't criticise them?

Of course you can. But when all you do is pick holes in their performance, including ridiculous comments about the top scorer only being there by 'default' you have to question this 'support'.

It's quite OK not to support England. You don't have to pretend.

Even Harry Kane admitted his hat trick was the crappest hat trick ever.

My comment, which is true.

Just another arrogant English man eh?

Yours, which is made up! I didn’t say he was arrogant, but at least he can fucking take a joke and have a laugh unlike you!

2 penalties and a deflection does not a shit hot hat trick make!

Taking nothing away from Harry Kane as a footballer, he is incredibly talented.

But wittering on that that hat trick was anything other than luck (which the man himself admitted while laughing!) just means you know fuck all about football

And making things up and accusing other posters of saying it is really, really pathetic.

How sad are you that that’s the inference you took from my post? Always out to be the victim eh? Pathetic.

Harry Kane, and many other English national players are shit hot footballers, of course they are.

But anyone who claims that football is all skill and no luck ever is clearly unaware of the game, so I guess they’re just here for the bunfight.

How sad.