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To think people genuinely hate England?

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beautifulblue · 08/07/2018 22:48

Is anyone else sick of seeing the anger/hatred towards England in the World Cup? This 'anyone but england' mentality from almost every other country is disheartening honestly. I've seen every excuse under the sun, we haven't played a proper team yet, 200,000 signatures to re-play the Colombia match because apparently that wasn't fair, blaming a few rowdy fans for not wanting England to win. I'm especially surprised by the amount of Scottish/Irish/Welsh people who seem to feel like this (on social media) i know we'd so be routing for our neighbours if it was the other way round! So... AIBU to think everyone just friggin hates England?!

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GorgeousJaws · 09/07/2018 12:06

Take your rose tinted glasses off and look again, because it’s there. If you didn’t see it, maybe you agree with it?

Perhaps point one out to me, claiming "Scottish/Irish/Welsh... people have no class or manners", etc.

Genuinely haven't seen one, not saying it isn't there.

SoddingUnicorns · 09/07/2018 12:06

Again, if you didn’t see it maybe it’s because you don’t disagree with it. Not my problem.

StoorieHoose · 09/07/2018 12:07

Again to quote a PP no point in moaning to ransoms on MN - if YOU want an English parliament then get out an campaign for it you know like what the rest of us had to do. As far as I knew the SNP didn’t vote on English only matters anyway It was the current Tory government that aligned itself to the DUP to prop itself up so you have NI mps voting on stuff that only concerns England

Topsyturvy1 · 09/07/2018 12:07

The only reason I don’t want England to win is that the media still bangs on about them winning in 1966 it will be unbearable if they win this year

GorgeousJaws · 09/07/2018 12:08

No.

OliviaPopeRules · 09/07/2018 12:08

British countries involvment in the Empire but they are essentially just other counties in England who are thrown some mostly meaningless powers as a bone to keep them quiet if they get rowdy.

Sorry but you are incorrect here. The Scottish were disproportionately represented in the higher posts in the empire.

but I don't believe for a second that if a dictator as bad as Hitler gets into power again that it will be in Germany.
Well the fact remains there is more support for the far right in Germany than there is in the UK so maybe owning their past and learning from history hasn't worked too well.

54321go · 09/07/2018 12:08

Since having cheerleaders is sexist and wrong, maybe for half time entertainment the police should put some of the pissed up louts onto the pitch and let some hungry lions loose. Rowdyism and entertainment sorted in one.

WTFdidwedo · 09/07/2018 12:09

You'd swear some people here resented England's success or something....
Not remotely. My husband is English and I am supporting England. I think they've played average so far and Kane is mediocre at best, however. Their games have been nowhere near as entertaining as many others, but alas they've made it to the semi-finals nonetheless so well done. And as I stated before, as a Welsh football fan I'm normally happy when we get a draw.

IcedPurple · 09/07/2018 12:09

Again, if you didn’t see it maybe it’s because you don’t disagree with it. Not my problem.

I'm with GorgeousJaws. I haven't seen a single post negatively stereotyping the Irish, Welsh or Scots on this thread, but I've seen very many about the English. Granted I haven't read every single post (but I have read most), so if you could point out such comments, it would be helpful. Thanks.

IcedPurple · 09/07/2018 12:10

I think they've played average so far and Kane is mediocre at best, however. Their games have been nowhere near as entertaining as many others, but alas they've made it to the semi-finals nonetheless so well done.

No, not resentful at all......

SoddingUnicorns · 09/07/2018 12:10

Seeing what you want to see isn’t the same as it not being there. I’m not spoon feeding it to you because you can’t be arsed to find it.

And you’ll have seen my posts defending English people along the way then, if you’ve read it all won’t you? That my issue is with Westminster and a minority of English folk with stinking attitudes, but actually not talking about England or English people as a whole?

No? Funny that.

SoddingUnicorns · 09/07/2018 12:11

No, not resentful at all.....

Even Harry Kane admitted his hat trick was the crappest hat trick ever.

IcedPurple · 09/07/2018 12:12

Well the fact remains there is more support for the far right in Germany than there is in the UK so maybe owning their past and learning from history hasn't worked too well.

I said the same several pages ago. Were all these people who praise Germany asleep during the recent German elections? Are they somehow unaware that an actual Nazi-inspired party is part of the official German opposition?

IcedPurple · 09/07/2018 12:13

Seeing what you want to see isn’t the same as it not being there.

But it's not there, is it?

topcat1980 · 09/07/2018 12:13

"and Kane is mediocre at best"

Yet he has scored the most goals of any player left in the tournament ?

Yet more people talking about football who know nowt.

54321go · 09/07/2018 12:13

There are far right groups in many countries around the world, most have been 'contained' quite successfully, although emerging divisions will make their presence more dangerous.

IcedPurple · 09/07/2018 12:14

Even Harry Kane admitted his hat trick was the crappest hat trick ever.

Just another arrogant English man eh?

chrisinthesun · 09/07/2018 12:14

The song about ‘its coming home’ when England wasn’t even in the quarter final makes England looking full of itself and very presumptuous too.

@IcedPurple

Lol you've never actually listened to the song, have you?

It's the opposite of 'presumptuous' - it's all about wistfully looking back to past glories and having tentative hopes raised only to be dashed again.

And I don't get all this talk of English fans/commentators being 'arrogant'. Again, mostly the opposite is true (with a handful of exceptions). Mostly, the expectation is that England will go out in the first round. It's precisely because England have now exceeded those expectations that there is such excitement - as there would be in any country.

I wonder if some of those commenting have any clue what they are talking about.

Good post.

And I don't think many of the people slating the footie (and the fans!) DO have a clue what they are talking about. The fact that they insisted (on another thread) that 30 million people watching the quarter finals doesn't necessarily mean it's popular, shows they are talking shit, and just goading people.

And don't get me STARTED on people calling KANE 'mediocre.'

Jesus wept!!!!!! Sad

WTFdidwedo · 09/07/2018 12:15

No, not resentful, just someone who has played and watched football since the age of 3 and likes to be entertained by slightly better goals than easy headers, penalties and deflections. My husband's English family also agree that England haven't played outstandingly well. They've played well certainly, but this has been one of the strangest world cups in terms of the "top" teams' performances. I'll be interested to see Wednesday's game as Croatia are battlers and will make England work for the first time really so I'm hoping it's a good game.

Itsfridayiminlovee · 09/07/2018 12:17

Topcat, it's football, not rocket science. There's not much to know! You're sounding like a bit of a twat.

Fwiw I hate the football played in world cups and euros. To much showboating and pretty passing. I support a Scottish premiership team and much prefer the gritty and determined style played in the leagues.

StoorieHoose · 09/07/2018 12:17

I can’t remember the royal wedding being shoehorned into weather reports, other news items etc. Yes there was lots of segments about it but it wasn’t mentioned in every other segment

IcedPurple · 09/07/2018 12:17

And I don't think many of the people slating the footie (and the fans!) DO have a clue what they are talking about.

Absolutely.

I'm far from a footie expert, but I like to think I have half a clue. Which is half a clue more than some of the posters here.

Like the person who said it was great how many non-white players there are in the England squad, as though the likes of John Barnes, Ian Wright or Rio Ferdinand never existed.

And don't get me STARTED on people calling KANE 'mediocre.'

Well, he's only the highest scorer in the WC. That's pretty average, in fairness. Pub side stuff.

chrisinthesun · 09/07/2018 12:17

@WTFdidwedo

If you say so dear.

Thecrabbypatty · 09/07/2018 12:17

I for one dislike the lazy, generalisations of thuggish English football supporters. Yes some are awful but my local village pub was crammed with supporters, the kids played in the beer garden, the adults cheered and groaned together, the landlord did a free round to celebrate and Old Norris hopped out of his mobility scooter with excitement at one point. Unfortunately this didnt make the news.

chrisinthesun · 09/07/2018 12:18

@roseandflowers1

Thank you, chrisinthesun

You're welcome! Smile

I'm genuinely gobsmacked that someone would rather I dragged in an unnecessary sum of money into the house than just improve the quality of life for my family all round. I daresay they wouldn't notice if I brought in a bit more money, it certainly wouldn't impact their lives. If they had to wait longer for dinner, I no longer had as much time to support them academically, they had to get used to a childminder or nanny instead (especially as DD1 is 16, she'd probably resent it hugely), and I couldn't pick them up from school anymore they'd notice.

I know right! If you asked 1000 children if they would rather have name-brand clothes, exorbitantly priced gadgets, and a trip abroad every year - (instead of Barmouth) - but they will not see their mother throughout the week until 7 at night, and she will often be spending 3 or 4 days away with her 'work' so they will have to fend for themselves, ferry themselves everywhere, cook their own meals etc... how many do you think would choose the fancy trips and expensive gadgets, and their mother not being there for them? NOT ONE. That's how many!

I think some people are very materialistic and value goods and objects over love and affection and spending time with their family. Says more about them really.

@DeltaG

Good for your DH having an 'enormous' salary. How vulgar of you to point it out. But since you have, my DH has an 'enormous' six-figure salary too. So do I. I don't 'need' to work in that sense and neither does he, but one of needs to as we are not from wealthy families.

Parents staying at home to look after young children is a valid choice. Staying at home when they are at school and there are no other impacting issues isn't though, in my opinion. In that can you're simply a 'kept' spouse and there's no dignity in that.

Heaven forbid that some women actually want to go out to work and are capable of earning high salaries! No of course, we'd all rather sit at home playing little wife, and if we have a different opinion, obviously the only reasonable explanation is because we're jealous.

Got a bit of a bee in your bonnet about stay-at-home-mums haven't you? Getting a bit defensive there too! Did roseandflowers1 hit a raw nerve ??? Grin

You also seem to have a bit of a bee in your bonnet about rose saying her husband has a big salary. You are definitely peeved about that, and no amount of 'ROFL smilies' is going to change that!

And yes - you DO sound jealous, and bitter ... If you were happy with your lot in life, you would NOT be trashing other peoples life choices.

And why does it make you so angry that other women choose to be a stay-at-home-mum (even when the kids are at school?) You sound very bothered by it. Lots of bitterness and anger between the lines in your posts. Calm down. Other women being at home with their family is not affecting you, so chill the fuck out why don't cha!

@howfaralong

Horrid thing to write. Way to go to minimise the role of women. You must be so proud of yourself.

DeltaG your comments are vile and minimising.

See ^ ... Even other posters are having a go at you about your attitude. You must know your attitude stinks!!!

And I reiterate, you sound jealous and bitter.

roseandflowers1

No happy and confident woman stamps over other women's sensible choices with vile misogynistic comments like she's making. She's trying to reinforce that she is superior - which is why she made the original comment about footballers' wives, puts down SAHM, felt the need to mention the specifics of her husbands' salary, talks about "vulgarity" in a skewed concept of etiquette, and is so obsessed with "dignity".

Excellent post, and pretty much what I said! Grin

Ignore the goading. She's not worth it!

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