To think people genuinely hate England?

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Is anyone else sick of seeing the anger/hatred towards England in the World Cup? This 'anyone but england' mentality from almost every other country is disheartening honestly. I've seen every excuse under the sun, we haven't played a proper team yet, 200,000 signatures to re-play the Colombia match because apparently that wasn't fair, blaming a few rowdy fans for not wanting England to win. I'm especially surprised by the amount of Scottish/Irish/Welsh people who seem to feel like this (on social media) i know we'd so be routing for our neighbours if it was the other way round! So... AIBU to think everyone just friggin hates England?!

One thing I’ve all was wondered is why do England use the British national anthem for their sports teams but Scotland / Wales / Northern Ireland use songs that represents them. Surely England should too

Yes it should and it's very wrong and annoys me massively. How can you use the British anthem for the England team? It doesn't happen at the Commonwealth Games.

@rosesandflowers1

You brought up salary size. You were therefore 'lacking in class' (how snobbish).

My original position, was that women who don't have health issues and/or caring responsibilities (or any other mitigating circumstances) and choose not to work, do nothing to help feminism. Society looks unfavourably upon men who do this. If we want advocacy of women's rights based on equality, then that also means the downsides to equality too. Not cherry picking what suits us.

These delusions of grandeur, that Britain, but really England, because it's only England that really have a say in Britain, is a cut above the rest of the world are still very much alive and kicking and it comes out in everything from Brexit to the way English people often act when abroad.
People saying that Germany don't receive similar disdain from the rest of the world because of Hitler, etc. don't realise that Germany has, for want of a better word, repented. That will never happen again in Germany. They actually teach their school kids what happened in the war and the real part Germany played. In Britain all we get is a whitewashed version of our 'glorious' history that glosses shamelessly over the bad parts and over emphasises the good parts.

Firstly Wales voted for Brexit too not just England. And the Welsh and Scots were very involved in the empire.
Secondly have you seen the rise of the far right in Germany and the current reaction to the migration policy of Merkel.

Finally as someone who is Irish I think being Irish is the best thing in the world and I'm proud to be from there, all my Scottish and Welsh friends feel the same, why are the English not afforded the same courtesy?

Unlike the Scottish team who didn't even quality

I always laugh when someone writes that - as if we didnt realise that!!! And the fact that the people who write it as a dig when Scots are already widely aware that the football team is shite - you aren’t telling us something we didn’t already know! Although England only managed a draw against Scotland last year

On the multi cultural aspect of the squad - it's great. And the fact that it is not even commented on is IMO progress. In my area, and from what I can tell, people of all races and backgrounds are supporting England.

Yes it is I completely agree.

The French, Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese and various other countries took part in colonisation, albeit less successfully.

You're probably not aware that, initially, the Spanish and the Portuguese split the world in half between them.
And dismissing all those South and Central American countries, which don't speak English.

"took part". Bless you.

I'm sure the Roman empire was hugely popular with the Gauls, what with their towns being starved into submission and their people killed by the hundreds of thousands.

I didn't say the Romans were a lovely bunch and their popularity ratings were sky high.

I said that the way the Romans exercised control was different to the British way. People don't respond well to being told their beliefs are the result of them being silly savages, being forced to convert and having their religious laws and customs ignored, or outright banned. Syncretism is much more palatable.

It doesn't make the Empire better, especially as the religious tolerance was probably just a calculated way of lessening riots, but it was one less thing to hate them for.

finally as someone who is Irish I think being Irish is the best thing in the world and I'm proud to be from there, all my Scottish and Welsh friends feel the same, why are the English not afforded the same courtesy?

Of course England should feel they are the best in the world but they can’t expect the countries around them to think that England is the best too

Sky today may have found some other news but BBC and ITV weren't leading with those stories on Friday, Saturday or Sunday. Nor will they on Wednesday morning I doubt. When Wales played Portugal in the Euros it was not headline news in the British media, it was only headline news in the regional news and the 3rd or 4th item on national news, which is how it should be in my opinion. Piers Morgan wasn't all over GMB questioning whether Wales would win from 6am until 8.30am every morning.

This thread is questioning whether people "hate" England. I am merely making the point that the other home nations can get mildly irritated by the coverage English football gets. I say this as a Welsh football fan who regularly watches Sky Sports News and is interested in football coverage.

@roses

I think that the Romans fed people to lions for having the wrong religious beliefs at least during a part of their rule

@ElBurroSinNombre having spent a few days in Blackpool in the last week I can honestly say that some of my countrymen/women left me absolutely mortified with their behaviour. I was embarrassed by them and angry at the drunken way they were behaving.

I also felt bad for the traders/pub staff/hotel staff who had to deal with their shite.

People don't respond well to being told their beliefs are the result of them being silly savages, being forced to convert and having their religious laws and customs ignored, or outright banned

Yes - the wonderful Roman tolerance of Christianity and Judaism is an example all empires should aspire to.

Seriously, do you even have a clue what you're talking about?

I managed to watch 10 minutes of BBC breakfast this morning and they shoehorned the football into everything. Those poor buggers queuing up for Wimbledon being ‘treated’ to a choir singing its Coming Home at 6 in the morning

I am merely making the point that the other home nations can get mildly irritated by the coverage English football gets

Genuine question: What do you think is the appropriate level of coverage when a country reaches the semi finals of the world's foremost sports event for the first time in almost 3 decades, and has a real chance of winning it for the first time in over 50 years?

Politically it is only England that has a say though. EVEL is a prime example, stating that English votes for English laws is needed.

Fine, but then letting the fucking DUP vote kind of defeats the point no? Plaid Cymru I can understand since Wales is inevitably lumped in with England, but the DUP?

EVEL should really read “No SNP allowed”, it would be more accurate wouldn’t it? Since Scottish Labour and Tories vote on EVEL.

Isn’t it funny that all the horror and fear of the SNP led to terrorists propping up the government.

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It boils my blood. I said this before on another thread the other day. It is very much in Westminster's interests for the proles to have a grandiose sense of self worth. Otherwise they have to admit that they don't have the biggest empire anymore and have the worst case of wee man syndrome I have ever seen.

For the record I am Scottish and I do not 'hate England' or the English.

Of course England should feel they are the best in the world but they can’t expect the countries around them to think that England is the best too

Of course, but I was referring to comments about how arrogant they are and how they are solely responsible for brexit and the empire. Generally English people who are patriotic are called racist and xenophobic, football fans specially are called binge drinking scumbags and if you don't believe that just read the comments on this thread.

You brought up salary size. You were therefore 'lacking in class' (how snobbish).

Can you really not see the difference in mentioning your husband has a large salary to make the point that there is no need for you to work, and pettily affirming that your husband also makes a large amount - specifying figures - for no real reason other than so I know?

In any case I think "lacking in class" sounds less snobbish than "vulgar."

Society looks unfavourably upon men who do this. If we want advocacy of women's rights based on equality, then that also means the downsides to equality too. Not cherry picking what suits us.

I'm not cherry picking

I personally stay at home as it's best for my family. A man might do the same thing.

My stance is that everybody should be allowed to make sensible options for their families free of stigma or being called "cocklodgers" - charming, by the way - and that women shouldn't have the added pressure to not make the right choice in the name of "feminism". It's not feminism, it's bullshit.

@Sodding
That's my point really. Although I love football and am very excited about this, I am uncomfortable with some of the over the top 'celebrations' and when / if we get knocked out it will be ugly in some places. Football can be a surrogate for the sort of nationalism which I loathe from any country including my own.

I think that the Romans fed people to lions for having the wrong religious beliefs at least during a part of their rule

They did indeed go down this route (as IcedPurple mentioned.)

But you would really not have to know what you were talking about to suggest that Romans never practised syncretism, or that this was undeniably effective.

English people do not have the warmth necessary to be likeable. The obsession with manners is just passive aggression and this is very obvious and alienating to other nations. The first question I always get from friends visiting London from other countries is ‘why is everyone so unfriendly?’ Sad but true.

They did indeed go down this route (as IcedPurple mentioned.)

But all that lark in the collisseum aside, they were really very tolerant of other religions, weren't they?

Politically it is only England that has a say though. EVEL is a prime example, stating that English votes for English laws is needed.
Why should Scottish MP's get a vote that English students should have to pay university fees of £9k when it is free in Scotland? If you are from the EU you do not pay university fees in Scotland but if you are English you do. But politically only England have any power, of course!

I'm Scottish, don't particularly care if England win. What DOES annoy me though in any big sporting event especially the Olympics (when we are competing as Great Britain) is when an English athlete wins he/she is referred to as English/it's a win for England - but when a Scottish athlete wins they are 'British' and it's a win for GB 😂

BTW, I mentioned in another thread that I watched on national news here in Portugal how English fans celebrated their team's win.
So, clearly not every country hates you.

We're quite fond of the English, long standing supposed allies, even though you did manage to steal part of our Empire.