To think people genuinely hate England?

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Is anyone else sick of seeing the anger/hatred towards England in the World Cup? This 'anyone but england' mentality from almost every other country is disheartening honestly. I've seen every excuse under the sun, we haven't played a proper team yet, 200,000 signatures to re-play the Colombia match because apparently that wasn't fair, blaming a few rowdy fans for not wanting England to win. I'm especially surprised by the amount of Scottish/Irish/Welsh people who seem to feel like this (on social media) i know we'd so be routing for our neighbours if it was the other way round! So... AIBU to think everyone just friggin hates England?!

As an Australian, I'm astounded by the minimisation of Britain's colonial past. Blissful ignorance at its finest, and I say that as a white Australian with exclusively British ancestry.

It may have been over 100 years ago, but our country will always bear the scars of its colonial past, in the same way that the US will always bear the scars of its colonial past and its treatment of African Americans, and in the same way that South Africa will always bear the scars of its apartheid past. It doesn't matter how many years have past.

And I think Australians feel more strongly - in a negative sense - toward the British than New Zealand and Canada, for example, because the colonisation of Australia was completely different.

The first response to this question just about sums it up.
www.quora.com/Do-Australians-and-New-Zealanders-feel-more-connected-to-the-UK-than-Canadians-do

I have no real issue with individual English people, but I don't have a huge fondness for England and what it represents. However, I'm also not blind to the role that the Scottish played in colonisation. If you look at the first governors and significant players in the Australian colony, a great many were Scottish.

Freud called it "The narcissism of small differences" - his theory was that communities located close to each other tend to intensify their differences & antagonisms to enhance their own sense of identity

I'm Scottish and I think England and the USA probably occupy similar positions in the international imagination - as arrogant. And I think a big part of this is to do with English speakers expecting everyone to speak English wherever they go, as if we are somehow superior.

I studied colonialism as part of my PhD and hell's bells, there were plenty of nations who were every bit as bad as the British Empire. I mean, Algeria only became independent from France in the 60s, ffs. And yes, colonialism on a big scale was a British thing, not English. It pisses me off that as a Scot I'm expected to see my country as basically flawless, tolerant and utopian when it fucking isn't.

But I think itsfridayiminlovee really sums up my irritation with the English football coverage here: A little girl went missing and was found murdered on a Scottish Islands attached he attract of last week. I'm on holiday but put the news on, look through the BBC site and Facebook now and again as I like to be upto date. I had to trawl through so much England football rubbish to find that news

All the above said, I'm supporting England because I think they're a good team and I fancy Gareth Southgate

Touched a nerve there did I? That accounts for your hysterical over-reaction.

Hysterical? Blame it on my period and you'll have the misogynistic hat-trick!

You'll never convince me that an adult (male or female), without caring responsibilities or health issues, can reasonably expect another person to go out to work in order to financially provide for them over a longterm period. Sorry.

My DH has an enormous salary that covers all our necessary expenses and much more. We pay equal proportions of our money towards bills etc. but obviously he continues to pay the lions share. There's no need for the extra money I could bring in by working.

By not working I can go to all of my DC's midday school events as well as evening ones I know some parents miss because of work. It's easier to pick them up and drop them off; if I did work I'd have to pay for someone to pick up DD2 from school - and drop her - because she is too young go on public transport alone - but I also have to pick up DD1 who can't take the bus or cross roads by herself. DS would never get picked up even on days when he had rugby practice or similar.

If I did work when they got home the house would be empty and they'd have to find food for themselves. DH wouldn't be able to work late when he needed to as frequently as he does. We'd pay more money for a cleaner, dinner would be more difficult, less home-baked stuff like brownies and cakes (which are much better than shop bought stuff).

Every household needs to find some balance between domestic work and financial work. In a household where one partner has the financial side completely covered (and might need to put more time into it as a result) it makes sense that one would stay at home.

But more importantly, your post has nothing to do with the actual money brought in because the majority of footballers wives could support themselves, quite comfortably actually. It has to do with misogyny.

Yes, I think some folk would benefit from reading up on the role of Scots in the British Empire and the Colonies.
I don’t think the Tobacco Lords of Glasgow, for example were off setting up social enterprise projects.

It’s 2018, and I tend to take folk as I find them regardless of accent, nationality etc but I get the impression that some people on this thread go into every interaction with a big pile of preconceived prejudices.

I spent yesterday afternoon with a group of teenage boys, none of whom have decent male role models in their families and they’re all buzzing about the World Cup.

It’s refreshing for there to be proper team work within the England team and a manager who seems to be a nice guy.
Yes, there’s been some horrendous behaviour by fans and no one is condoning it but there are plenty of positives to be had too.
I’m Scottish living in England btw.

Considering that the headlines of the British press the other week featured the word SCHADENFREUE when Germany went out, I think it's slightly odd for the English to be complaining about other nationalities not supporting England.

And as a pp pointed out, matches involving other countries are always brought back to the English viewpoint by the English press/commentators: it's as if they genuinely believe their viewers to be incapable of taking an interest in anybody else (or even in football as a game).

I haven't read the full thread but the reason why is encapsulated in whatever person a few pages back said that England tried to conquer the World because they're the best in the world. That attitude is why people don't like England.

@DeltaG

A woman in good health with children in full-time education and not earning a wage (SAHW), yes. Why should it be the man's job to support a woman financially in this situation? If the roles were reversed, he'd be a 'cocklodger'.

Sounding a bit jealous and bitter there..... Your man not allowing you to stay home any longer? Or are you a man who is angry that his wife refuses to go back to work, and you are having to 'keep' her? Oh dear.....

@roseandflowers1

The term I'd probably use is 'house husband', or, as my DD suggests, the gender neutral 'house spouse.' It sounds like you're just a rude and disrespectful person either way.

I'm a SAHM. I do earn some money because I work from home, but I could probably go out today and get a much better paying job and help "support" the family, but I don't. Because "support" means more than money. I would rather be able to support my children in the ways that they need and want than go out and get stressed and tired for a job, all for money we don't need.

Every family is different and needs different things. Your post is unbelievably ignorant and narrow-minded - howling that the only things you can think of that might require a parent to stay home are her personally having health issues and sorting out childcare.

Well said!

Ignore the haters. People making snide comments about SAHM's are just jealous and bitter that THEY can't afford to stay at home!

Ignore them! And you are correct that there are a lot more ways to 'support' your family than bringing in money. Anyone who thinks the only way of supporting the family is financially is a fucking arsehole with more teeth than brain cells.

"Britain is also 90% white but the BBC have to make an effort to diversify their representation. They don't seem to do this when it comes to sports coverage."

I have noticed this a lot too. Also in 9 out of 10 adverts now, you see mixed race and black people, and 'mixed' couples and mixed families. And there are many in various tv programmes too, and also in the tv presenters (including the weather people.) Even though the vast majority of the UK is white.

It's just the tv channels trying to appear 'cool' and 'right-on.'

How many non-white people do you think are at the top of the companies and corporations though? How many top managers and directors and Chief Executives of these companies are non-white?

Yeah that's right, NONE. Probably no women either.

good points on the role of the Scots in British colonialism. I'm English living in Scotland and the way history is airbrushed to make it seem as if it was only the English at fault is pathetic.

Oh and by the way......

To say England don't deserve to win because of the actions of a minority of England fans (as someone said upthread) is fucking ridiculous!

Shall we just stop the English travelling abroad next because of the odd few aggressive idiots ???

Grow up!

Colonialism isn’t exclusively English no, and anyone asserting it is, is wrong.

People talking about feeling treated as a colony (ie not listened to, mocked, sidelined and sneered at) by SOME (not all, not even a majority but a very vocal minority) aren’t wrong.

Whole lot of people on here coming across like the kind of people that have Free Tommy Robinson posters in their window.

The bitterness on this thread 🍋!

I'm used to it though, having a Scottish dad who has never wanted England to win. It upset me when I was young, now I think it's quite funny.

Come on England!!!

According to the 2011 census England was 80% white British. Which kind of puts paid to the “we're overrun with immigrants” “oh there’s no room for anyone else” “close the borders quick we’re outnumbered” ridiculousness doesn’t it?

I'll give you one word why most in North Wales would never support England in any sporting event.

Tryweryn

And you are correct that there are a lot more ways to 'support' your family than bringing in money. Anyone who thinks the only way of supporting the family is financially is a fucking arsehole with more teeth than brain cells.

Thank you, chrisinthesun

I'm genuinely gobsmacked that someone would rather I dragged in an unnecessary sum of money into the house than just improve the quality of life for my family all round. I daresay they wouldn't notice if I brought in a bit more money, it certainly wouldn't impact their lives. If they had to wait longer for dinner, I no longer had as much time to support them academically, they had to get used to a childminder or nanny instead (especially as DD1 is 16, she'd probably resent it hugely), and I couldn't pick them up from school anymore they'd notice.

The song about ‘its coming hime’ when England wasn’t even in the quarter final makes England looking full of itself and very presumptuous too

Lol you've never actually listened to the song, have you?

It's the opposite of 'presumptous' - it's all about wistfully looking back to past glories and having tentative hopes raised only to be dashed again.

And I don't get all this talk of English fans/commentators being 'arrogant'. Again, mostly the opposite is true (with a handful of exceptions). Mostly, the expectation is that England will go out in the first round. It's precisely because England have now exceeded those expectations that there is such excitement - as there would be in any country.

I wonder if some of those commenting have any clue what they are talking about.

I don’t hate England or the English ( haven’t met all of them so can’t really pass judgement).

I despise English football media, with special hate for that disablist cunt Glenn Hoddle.

While I wish every non-hooligan a great, safe trip to Russia, I’ll be looking forward to Croatia winning this week.

No one is still slating Germany because of Hitler and Naziism I know it’s a couple of years ago now but a prime example of English newspapers bringing up the war when England and Germany are in a football tournament

*I'm a Scot who isn't into football so I don't really care about the footy side but as a Scot I do understand this:

"People don’t usually cheer for their past colonial overlords. Particularly not ones who sulk when they lose and boast when they win" *

This made me laugh out loud. You do know that it wasn't just the English that colonised the world don't you?? It was the British including the Scottish. In fact the vast majority of the people who settled in Northern Ireland were Scottish.

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My German, Italian and Canadian friends, all of whom I met when they were living in England, are all rooting for us! So not everyone hates England. I thought it particularly nice that the Germans are rooting for us given the long-standing (friendly) rivalry!

I haven't read the full thread but the reason why is encapsulated in whatever person a few pages back said that England tried to conquer the World because they're the best in the world. That attitude is why people don't like England.

Again it was Great Britain not England that colonised the world including Scots and Welsh. I know it's not convenient to remember that and only blame the English.

The British empire has attempted to stretch into almost 90% of the globe, and at it's height accounted for almost 25% of it - the Spanish, French and Portuguese don't come near those figures.

All that proves is that the British were more succesful at empire building than those countries. Do you seriously think that the French and Spanish didn't envy the success of British imperialism and wouldn't have loved to have it for themselves? Empire was considered the height of civilisation in those days.

And to remind everyone again - it was the British empire, not the 'English' empire. The Scors were particularly enthusiastic empire builders.

I know it’s a couple of years ago now

A couple of years? Try almost a quarter of a century...

I don't hate England but I don't expect lot of class and manners from the English.
And I don't mean class as in aristocracy.
When I heard about the trashing of the ambulances and Ikea in the news, I wasn't surprised, just put it down to the behaviour of the typical English. A colleague of mine was in a pub full of English fans on Saturday and his remark was (and he's actually a fan of the English team): I would have been afraid of staying there if they had lost because they already looked aggressive when they were winning.
So it's not about England in particular, more about the expectations. Binge drinking, rowdiness, aggression and generally behaving like the rest of the world is inferior is how many people picture the English, hence the negative attitude.