To think people genuinely hate England?

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Is anyone else sick of seeing the anger/hatred towards England in the World Cup? This 'anyone but england' mentality from almost every other country is disheartening honestly. I've seen every excuse under the sun, we haven't played a proper team yet, 200,000 signatures to re-play the Colombia match because apparently that wasn't fair, blaming a few rowdy fans for not wanting England to win. I'm especially surprised by the amount of Scottish/Irish/Welsh people who seem to feel like this (on social media) i know we'd so be routing for our neighbours if it was the other way round! So... AIBU to think everyone just friggin hates England?!

And it mattered when you were sneering at the Scots, what changed nNina?

@Thisisnt

If it was purely about rural vs non rural then fair enough.
But it's not really about that, the Barnett formula was part of a grubby political deal designed to thwart Scottish nationalism in the 70s. If it was purely about the cost of providing services then university tuition fees and prescriptions would be free in England.

That and the relentless coverage on national TV biased towards 1/4th of that nation.

Uh ... England is not 1/4 of the UK. In terms of population, England makes up 53.1m out of the 66.64m total, which is about 80%. So population-wise, England is 80% of the UK.

It is 1 of the 4 countries in the uk

Its a matter of geography. The more people in a space, the cheaper it is to provide services.

And this is the problem our councils face. Several of them serve an area of over 6000 sq km with the highlands being over 25000 sq km. the costs for these councils are higher for a smaller population than they would be in a more concentrated area.

Sodding I don’t remember sneering at the Scots

juneau
Britain is also 90% white but the BBC have to make an effort to diversify their representation. They don't seem to do this when it comes to sports coverage.

The whole Brexit thing was a badly thought out plan by Mr Cameron to sort out squabbling within the Conservative party. Cameron had achieved a load of 'goodies' with negotiation with the EU but rather than accepting the 'deals' he was being pushed for more.
The deals he had got satisfied the majority of what he had been asking and would fit within the EU 'rules'. Many of the 'crap' issues that were used to make it into a 'leave EU' campaign were not actually EU issues at all. Apart from about 0.7% of GDP, the Gov can spend how it wants, not influenced by the EU. Immigration, The EU has TIGHTER rules than the UK were using. Sovereignty, well the UK is and always was a Sovereign nation but as soon as you interact with any other nation there has to be compromise on both sides.
I doubt many around the world actually HATE Britain at grass roots level although as with many other countries we probably do 'piss them off' with our 'superior and entitled attitude'.
So yes @sodding is largely correct, Brexit is principally a disaster generated within Westminster that the whole of the UK will be paying for for many years.

Haven’t read all the replies, just wished to point out that at the Commonwealth games in glasgow all the British countries were cheering for each other and there was a great atmosphere. I do believe this is football specific and is related to England fans’ (pathetic) behaviour over the years.

Uh ... England is not 1/4 of the UK. In terms of population, England makes up 53.1m out of the 66.64m total, which is about 80%. So population-wise, England is 80% of the UK

You missed the point spectacularly there didn’t you?

I am currently away in another country in a group with mostly Scottish and Irish friends. Only 2 English people present - everyone seems genuinely pleased and excited about how well England are doing. But perhaps they are just being polite because I’m here!

@nNina22 “oooh who’s going to bite?” Fnar fnar chuckle chuckle. Oh so clever.

Only now it’s not funny any more is it? Because you and your snide little pal (who has disappeared after being proven wrong) didn’t get the response you wanted (or maybe you did) and now it’s not funny anymore?

Lesson learned for you hopefully.

It’s a mystery only to English people! You’re like that kid at school that no one likes and their mum goes ‘ oh they’re all jealous’

This!

So if you are 80% of the Uk why do people care if the other 20% support your sodding football team? Surely England can’t be that insecure?

Reading this thread it make awe wonder who has the biggest chip on their shoulders - Scotland (we blame al our ills on England) or England (boo boo no one likes us)

Those particular women set feminism back years.

How awful and nasty. Do you believe that all SAHM or SAHW are 'setting back feminism'? Aren't they also reliant on their partners' income?

Women cannot 'set back feminism' by making choices that sometimes align with traditional views of women; it's ridiculous to suggest so. The idea that women should attempt to separate themselves from what is typically seen as "feminine" in order to be respected is inherently misogynistic.

If someone respects women and/or feminism less because some women don't work, or are sexually active, or conventionally attractive, they never respected women or feminism anyway.

ElBurroSinNombre and that view fails to take into account that the revenue generated from Scotland is higher. Between £1000 to up to £1700 per head depending on how you calculate it.

The British empire has attempted to stretch into almost 90% of the globe

Yet in reality only ever covered less than 24%.

@Minor

Tuition fees and prescriptions are free in Scotland, whilst residents of England have to pay handsomely for them. This has nothing to do with rural vs town, geography or anything like that - I would suggest that this argument is a distracting tactic. We are in different parts of the same country and this just seems very, very unfair. Hence the resentment displayed by some on here.

grow up Sodding

You missed the point spectacularly there didn’t you?

On the contrary. The point is that ~80% of the UK population is English, so the vast majority have an interest in seeing news about England. That's why it represents a greater proportion of the coverage. Supply and demand. I would have thought this was obvious.

@StoorieHoose
try being Scottish and English - no one like me, but I know its my own fault .

For me it is the media coverage that is annoying. Why do we need to watch a feature about Team England every single half time no matter who is playing? Surely a feature about participating teams would make more sense? And then all the ultra patriotic commercials (often for the companies that are not at all English like VW), what's up with that? All this nationalism makes it hard to enjoy the actual game to be honest, especially after it was so overused for Brexit purposes jus recently.
It was the same at the last Winter Olympics by the way - just switching to interviews with Team GB members between events or in breaks, often with people representing completely different disciplines and having nothing to do with what was going on.

This makes the coverage all about England instead of about the sports. I get that everyone supports their own country, but shouldn't the actual football be the point?

Frogscotch - it’s really not though. Although a lot of the hatred surfaces when big football matches happen I experienced it in normal every day life living in Scotland because of my English accent.

Also just to reiterate - I saw appalling behaviour by Celtic and rangers fans in Scotland AND after the independence referendum.

Yes some English people behave badly. So do some Scottish and Welsh people. I think it’s sad that hasn’t been pointed out more in this thread. Instead it’s people trying to justify hatred and predudice.

I agree it seems unfair. It's also unfair that the nhs is seriously underfunded. I suggest you lobby Westminster instead of random Scots on Mumsnet though

No, I didn't 'miss the point spectacularly'. TV coverage is not aimed at geography, it's aimed at human beings! Scottish mountains, Welsh castles and NI breweries don't watch television - people do - and English people make up 80% of the TV watching public of the UK!