To think people genuinely hate England?

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Is anyone else sick of seeing the anger/hatred towards England in the World Cup? This 'anyone but england' mentality from almost every other country is disheartening honestly. I've seen every excuse under the sun, we haven't played a proper team yet, 200,000 signatures to re-play the Colombia match because apparently that wasn't fair, blaming a few rowdy fans for not wanting England to win. I'm especially surprised by the amount of Scottish/Irish/Welsh people who seem to feel like this (on social media) i know we'd so be routing for our neighbours if it was the other way round! So... AIBU to think everyone just friggin hates England?!

I'm English and I live in Scotland, it's a place where I call home and have a season ticket to the rugby.
I see it a lot sometimes it verges on going too far but a lot of it also comes from the media in the way that they cover things.
Commentators are often disparaging about the Scottish team when they won the rugby according to them it wasn't because of Scottish skill but England being terrible.
The coverage of the world Cup is frankly getting ridiculous with every channel. They are getting fed up with all the hype and I can't blame them.

I really wanted to stay out of this - too much hate swirling around for my comfort. But I do think someone needs to point out to our disgruntled brothers and sisters in Scotland, that their being 'ruled' by us vile Sassenachs was not the result of invasion or colonisation. Basically, Scotland went bankrupt and the Scottish establishment decided that union with England was the only way to save their country.

Please do learn your own history!

Ah the old ‘we pay for Scotland’ shite. If we were that much of a drain on the UK why did the conservative push that we were ‘Better Together’

I haven’t read the whole thread so I’m sure I’ll repeat a lot of what has been said for which I apologise.

I am Irish (well, Northern Irish Catholic), I live in England and have an English husband. I was brought up in a highly politicised area with an ingrained hatred of the English. I’d say, this hatred is more for the ‘establishment’ rather than the people.

When England are in a tournament (especially football for whatever reason) a lot of the ‘establishment’ sentiment seems to come to the fore. Whether it’s because the fans become a homogenous mass of the things that the wider world dislikes about England (flags, chanting, arrogance etc) I don’t know.

It’s less of ‘I hate you ’ but more ‘I hate everything that I feel is now portrayed’

On a personal level, I have loved living in England, although I will be moving home soon. I have however found that there is a general failure to understand the cultures of other countries (well mine in particular) and so I am constantly subjected to potato/Guinness/traveller/Paddy jokes, which, after 10 years have run very, very thin. There is also a seeming total almost refusal to get that I am Irish, of completely Irish heritage and so I am culturally and emotionally Irish. With all of the beautiful history that that entails.

My back gets up COMPLETELY by the sheep mentality of ‘the BBC told me it was like this so it must have been’. I lived it, it wasn’t, when I tell you the truth, it’s worthwhile listening, but no one ever wants to.

My husband has made a massive effort to understand NI politics and as a result is very accepted at home. If he came in spouting the BBC version he’d get a short shrift

Ismynameisrubbish-ooh naughty naughty. Whi’s going to bit?

Bite, even

Someone's forgetting why the Scottish economy was so poor prior to the union. English blockades and the Darien Scheme anyone?

I do know my history, perhaps you better learn yours

Urgh, another one of these threads.

I live in NZ. By and large, people like the English. There is some good-natured ribbing.

The biggest England supporter other than me is a Maori who used to live in England.

There are lots of immigrants here from China. I daresay if I asked them about their opinion of the Opium War the UK probably wouldn't get a very favourable review, but as it is, England is just another wealthy country that affords a good standard of living. There are lots of immigrants from India. Their views are similar, except they generally have also heard of Joe Root.

In my experience, Australians like us too, and the banter is not genuinely unfriendly.

I've been to Ireland- north and south- and everyone was very pleasant to me.

Ditto France, despite my execrable efforts in French.

Ditto Germans, although they often express bafflement at English ways of doing things.

By and large, "empire" is not what is on people's minds when they think of England, whether or not they're lying back.

In my experience, the only exception is Scotland, which I found to be absolutely full of people with a massive inferiority complex Wyeth regards to the English. For them it was like a constant itch they had to scratch. Their utter hypocrisy has made me unable to take pronouncements by Scottish luminaries seriously ever since. Which is unfair, because not all Scots are like that.

Don't know why the Scots hate the English though, after all, we're kind enough to pay for their prescriptions and university fees, you'd think they'd love us wouldn't you? it's about time Scotland started paying their own way then, and only then, can they be entitled to say that they hate the English.........of yes I digress, so as for football..........

The thin veneer is always, always easy to remove, and there it is.

Contempt and sneering.

I bet you think you’re ever so witty don’t you?

Because if you’d actually done your research you’d have realised that not only is your statement highly offensive, it’s also dead wrong.

There's so much bitterness on this thread! Something I haven't witnessed in RL where everyone seems to be joyously supporting England.

I agree OP.
Other nationalities that live here quite happily are openly slating us,Irish and Scottish seem to despise us and it seems generally acceptable to throw around racist comments because it's England.
Of course we have faults as does every country but ours gets magnified on a daily basis.
And yes there were atrocities in our past but will every generation after have to suffer hatred because of that for something that was beyond our control.
Shocked how football has brought out all this hidden hatred TBH.

@ProfessorMoody

Sorry to burst your little nationalist bubble, but there is no such thing as the 'English abroad' and their disgusting behaviour. There is a small contingent of 'Brits abroad' types (that includes you too, the Welsh) who behave poorly overseas. I've personally seen young Welsh lads being arrested in Spain for public disorder offences and shouting obscenities at the police (or at least I assumed that's what it was for, based on their behaviour).

This idea that it's only the English who get drunk and misbehave abroad is laughable. Yes, by absolute numbers there are probably more English than Welsh, but that's because, well, there are more English than Welsh. It's certainly not because the Welsh are of superior moral fibre 🤣

Also posters are continuing to interchangeably use England and Britain but still don't understand why the other home nations get mildly irritated by this

I don’t get irritated, I find it funny. Because it just shows up complete and utter ignorance and entirely proves that the colonial attitudes aren’t as far in the past as some insist.

Isn’t it funny that a thread about football has descended to this? Because it’s what it really boils down to isn’t it?

Obviously people don't understand footballing rivalry.

Manchester Utd fans wouldn't support Man City fans if the latter were in a cup final, despite hailing from the same city.

There was a thread last week gloating about Germany's elimination.

About the failure of the English to understand cultures of any countries - I have found this is Scotland and wales too though. I really don’t think England are any worse.

As for it not being about hating English people individually - as I wrote previously I unfortunately didn’t find this. The way I was spoken to and treated because of my accident certainly felt like individual hatred.

Don't know why the Scots hate the English though, after all, we're kind enough to pay for their prescriptions and university fees, you'd think they'd love us wouldn't you? it's about time Scotland started paying their own way then, and only then, can they be entitled to say that they hate the English.........of yes I digress, so as for football

Can I suggest you may be do some research? Completely inaccurate and quite offensive.

*The constant talking about England winning the whole thing during every tournament. Why can't they just focus on the match in hand?
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What a bizarre thing to say! We are in the tournament to try and win the tournament - as is every single other nation that's taking part. All countries want to win the World Cup. All football fans talk about and dream about their country winning.

The World Cup is the biggest & arguably the most popular sporting event on the planet and if we won it would be a VERY big deal.

Being excited about potentially winning is not uniquely English, and it's the fact that we haven't managed to for 50 years that is ramping up the excitement.

So, sorry....your comment is ridiculous.

Errr .... nope. The WC has been taken to new height this time round in England.
I haven’t seen anything like this in other countries. Apart maybe from Columbia where players received death threats for loosing the match?

The song about ‘its coming hime’ when England wasn’t even in the quarter final makes England looking full of itself and very presumptuous too.

Lots of people forgetting the xenophobic and frankly nasty comments about Germany going out in the media and on SM eh?

I’ve got English friends, in fact most of my friends are English, I went to uni in England. I don’t hate English people, at all.

What I do hate is that for some reason Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are allowed to be slated and slagged off without comeback, when if it was racial or about England there would be an uproar.

Even some of the pundits commentating have shown themselves up to be thick as fuck xenophobes. But that’s ok, because they’re footballers.

If anyone wants to know why there isn’t universal support for the English football team, just read this thread and some of the more ignorant and bigoted posts.

It’s not hard.

@SoddingUnicorns if the truth is "witty" so be it. In England we pay a hefty fee to attend university, Scottish young men and women don't, my sons got a good paying job and is still paying off his uni fees ten years on! Also here in England, we pay for our prescriptions even when we've paid tax all our lives, Scottish people don't, so if you take my comment as witty, so be it, it is in fact the truth! So if anyone takes offence at my comment that's their problem. Oh and by the way, my best friend is Scottish and she agrees, as does her lovely family.

Then your Scottish pal hasn’t done her research either.

Because blinding stating that England pays for everything shows up your ignorance, and bigotry.

So I didn’t think your comment was witty, far from it, it was unmitigated bullshit.

Bless you the reason I said you thought you were ever so witty is that I bet you did, think you were ever so clever writing that horrid hateful and inaccurate statement. Chuckling away to yourself thinking you were so smart.

Oh and I went to uni in England, so I’m well aware of the nasty low level shite aimed at Scots.

Away and check things out and find out the truth and that might save you making a fanny of yourself in future.

The point is that we pay tax too and contribute to lots of UK stuff that doesn’t benefit us - london transport, HS2 etc. How the Scottish Government decide to divvy up thier budget is their business and they feel that paying for uni fees and prescription from their budget will benefit Scotland. If YOU don’t like that you have to pay for uni fees elect a party that would bring that in

BananaToffo
But there's no need to talk about England winning the whole tournament when I'm trying to watch Spain play Portugal or Belgium play Tunisia or France play Argentina etc etc. This is my biggest problem!

And also the fact that England haven't actually been playing that well on a football level. Kane is on track for THE most boring Golden Boot of any tournament - a couple of penalties, an accidental deflection off his heel and some sitting headers. He's done fuck all in the past two games. Sterling has been absolutely shite but still gets to start over Loftus-Cheek and Rashford for some bizarre reason. I can only assume he has something on Southgate!

Whenever the opposition have an excellent chance the English commentators immediately say 'great save' 'good defensive play from England' etc. rather than 'great play' or 'excellent shot' from the opposition. It's really annoying and only noticeable by completely impartial fans. I am a football fan, as in, of watching a really well played match. It's impossible to enjoy an England game with English commentary.

I'm British and English. I do not use the two interchangeably. I am constantly correcting my husband's family for referring the the UK as 'Angleterre' and to the Brits as 'les Anglais'. They even did it while we were all on holiday in Wales.

I work at an international organisation abroad and many of my work colleagues do it too. How dare foreigners not have a decent enough grasp on the history of the Union? How dare they mix us up! After all, you only need to take a look at our passports to see we're from completely different countries don't you? ........Oh, err...... 😬