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To be disgusted by my own city?

303 replies

DelRaya · 07/07/2018 23:02

Seen lovely footage of fans “celebrating” by smashing up a taxi ... jumping up and down on it, completely smashed the windscreen. All done with a large crowd watching them and singing.

Jumping up and down on bus shelters, again smashing them to pieces.

I’m so utterly disgraced with my hometown.

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hazyhazza · 08/07/2018 10:38

"I live in a naice seaside town. Its like the fucking notting hill carnival outside. I dont think its even in my street. Fuckwits"

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maxthemartian · 08/07/2018 11:00

Apologies for the DM link but apparently it's okay to endanger your own offspring as well.

michellefromtheresistance · 08/07/2018 11:05

I seem to remember when the new licensing laws coming out that venues were supposed to stop serving people who were inebriated.

beerandpub.com/campaigns/the-law-on-serving-drunks/

Maybe the police should take this law seriously in a few venues just to make the point.

Snowysky20009 · 08/07/2018 11:18

Amazes me that this is what football does to people, yet with rugby you can go into a pub and opposite teams will share the same table and buy each other drinks. Yet it's a more aggressive sport.

TallyWest · 08/07/2018 11:22

Agree Snowysky.

BlueWonder · 08/07/2018 11:23

I saw the thread title and thought 'please let it not be about Nottingham'. Really though, I don't think there is anything about the people here that cause this. It is the sense of entitlement and drunken 'safety in numbers/crowd mentality of football supporters everywhere. Also the city council and police should have have foreseen that holding a big screen football party awash with alcohol in the castle grounds then channeling several thousand inebriated and over excited people downhill into the Market Square through a street lined with sports bars might lead to trouble.

Too many drinking venues in the city centre and constantly promoting the idea of a fun 'party city' for stags/hens and students. Plus adding a beach bar every summer and various pop up wine bars in the winter. It makes the city centre a no go area after 6pm. Not uncommon to be accosted by blokes dressed as giant penises mid-afternoon either (and have to explain why to 7yo DD).

augustusglupe · 08/07/2018 11:24

I was born and bred in Nottingham. Left in my 20s and have lived away for 30 years.
I watched the scenes in the city centre yesterday on Instagram and tbh thought it all looked great fun, although I did say to my DH that there was a buzz about the place that I felt could turn either way, so it doesn’t surprise me that it turned nasty.
I was in Manchester yesterday and although it was packed and similar to any other big city, it wasn’t on the same scale as Nottingham.
I will always be a Notts girl and it makes me sad that it’s not the same city I grew up in.

BarefootHippieChick · 08/07/2018 11:26

Nottingham and Derby have always had that reputation for football hooliganism anyway, especially when playing each other. (I've been for nights out in both cities when there's been a Notts /Derby match on and it's not pleasant. ) Unfortunately the world is full of idiots.

Notontheinternet I saw that link for the naice village pub. I've actually been in that pub several times on a Friday and Saturday night and imo the clientele have changed over the years. It's not as nice and family friendly as it used to be.

BarefootHippieChick · 08/07/2018 11:28

Sorry wrongontheinternet ! I should read usernames correctly!

thefairyfellersmasterstroke · 08/07/2018 13:52

Er, you clearly do not remember/are too young to know about the Scottish behaviour at England v Scotland matches in the 70s at Wembley. Just find it on YouTube. They actually had to stop this annual fixture due to the drunken and loutish antics of the Scottish fans.

What has the behaviour of 40 years ago got to do with it? Unless you tell the full story, which is that yes, their behaviour got the fixture cancelled. However on realising what they'd done, the Scotland fans cleaned up their act, turned their behaviour around, set up the Travel Club Tartan Army and now police each other. One of the biggest motivators to behave well is to distance ourselves from English football hooliganism; the worse England supporters behave the better Scotland fans are.

Our team may never do well at any tournaments, but our fans are praised wherever they go, have won "Best Supporters" honours and commendations all over the world and are welcomed with open arms, to say nothing of the thousands they raise for charity, both at home and in the countries where the team has played.

So please don't compare Scotland supporters of today with England fans of today - they are oceans apart in every sense.

BitchQueen90 · 08/07/2018 13:57

I'm from here too. Saw the videos on facebook. Heard they had to divert all buses away from Friar Lane.

It isn't just Nottingham though to be fair, there's been carnage all over the country. I stay home when the football is on, even local football to avoid all this stuff. Shame some idiots always have to ruin it.

DelRaya · 08/07/2018 14:06

I will always be a Notts girl and it makes me sad that it’s not the same city I grew up in.

Well I grew up in Nottingham, where · Danielle Beccan was the exact same age as me got killed due to tertority wars.

I remember Marian Bates being shot. The riots when Colin Gunn was sentenced.

The thing with Nottingham is that it’s a small city and everyone knows everyone

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Nogymjustcake · 08/07/2018 14:30

I don't want England to lose just because some idiots. I live In London and have seen a lot worse than drunken idiots smashingly glasses on just an ordinary sayurtday night.
This will all be in the media as it's aimed at the World Cup that is the current hype.
We live near one of the biggest most popular football teams stadium and deal with it every year for the premier league etc

But mostly it is just noise / celebrations and some bad language

OiWhoTookTheGoodNames · 08/07/2018 14:39

I'm not disgusted by Nottingham - my facebook this morning's full of people crowd funding to try to get the taxi driver back up and running as soon as they can do, and people pissed off it got completely out of hand yesterday. The decent people far, far outnumber the twats - even if I do live next to one of them who got completely mullered and decided to treat the neighbourhood to a vuvuzela competition at pushing midnight last night. If someone is brutally found murdered in Nottingham stabbed through the heart with a cheap plastic horn with dodgy England flag printed on it after Wednesday - I'll be to blame.

Think at least part of the Nottingham trouble was that the fanzone screen in Sneinton was down for this match meaning so many more people headed over to by the Castle and of course down into Old Market Square from there at full time.

Everstrong · 08/07/2018 14:41

I live in a “naice” town and at 7pm yesterday evening we had a completely naked man simulating sex acts on a transit van. It made the website of the local paper where most of the comments went along the lines of “haha that’s hilarious” and “pathetic snowflakes moaning that the bloke is having fun.”

Hmm
NotACleverName · 08/07/2018 14:43

Football fans are a different breed from the more upmarket sports of rugby and tennis.

Yeah, damn those working class yobbo football fans, am I right? Do fuck off and take your classism with you.

BitchQueen90 · 08/07/2018 14:51

@DelRaya all that stuff happens in certain infamous areas in Nottingham. Certainly doesn't happen in the part of Nottingham that I grew up in and doesn't represent the city as a whole. All cities have certain boroughs where there is trouble with crime, gangs etc.

bringbacksideburns · 08/07/2018 14:51

Funny how we love a sweeping generalisation about Class. Because the Hoorays never behave badly do they ? Hmm

My friends and family love Football. Not one would think to jump up and down on an ambulance or take their top off, chant like a moron and start fighting.

A minority of aggressive dickheads again who can't control their drinking and may possibly be coked up too.

They should be prosecuted for criminal damage because there are some very clear photos of them out there.

DontBuyANewMumAnyLUSHProduce · 08/07/2018 14:51

Is it a class thing?

Whatever our opinions, it's a fact that reported domestic violence goes up when England play football and up even more when they lose.
I imagine there are negligible differences when England play rugby.
Rugby fans can still mingle in the stands and drink alcohol in the grounds. Obvs not so for football.

Why is it classist to point out that there are differences to the supporters/ethos around the two sports?

DontBuyANewMumAnyLUSHProduce · 08/07/2018 14:56

Hold my hand up, just googled it and there's a rise in reported DV during rugby matches too. At least in South Wales, not yet seen England stats.

Sorry football fans!

Rosie342 · 08/07/2018 14:58

One of the towns near me are just as bad, ontop of buses, police cars etc. It's shocking, that's why the rest of the world have bad ideas of England, behaviour like this is appalling, especially in London where they trashed an ambulance

Aeroflotgirl · 08/07/2018 15:05

The football fans are a disgrace! I dread to think what they would have done if we had lost! Destroying a rapid response ambulance, climbing on buses, louts.

JacquesHammer · 08/07/2018 15:06

The football fans are a disgrace!

Don’t you mean SOME?

Aeroflotgirl · 08/07/2018 15:16

Yes, I do Jacques, obviously not all football fans are like this, the ones in the media are.

TooManyPaws · 08/07/2018 15:26

Er, you clearly do not remember/are too young to know about the Scottish behaviour at England v Scotland matches in the 70s at Wembley. Just find it on YouTube. They actually had to stop this annual fixture due to the drunken and loutish antics of the Scottish fans.

Which is why Scotland brought in laws to curb this sort of behaviour from 50 years ago. The Tartan Army is now a self-policing group which prides itself on partying, fundraising for charity and having a good time with opposing fans. Have you not read the papers or watched the news for 50 years?! 😂 Incidentally, one reason Scotland football fans behave themselves is to distance themselves from the English ones.

I once had to take a group of German senior police officers to meetings with the senior officers in charge of the divisions where Celtic Park and Ibrox are as well as with the heads of security at Celtic and Rangers; the German police wanted to learn from their Scottish colleagues how they had turned around the horrendous football violence of the past. One reason was the policing as well as the attitude. Here in Scotland, the clubs turn the stadium over to the police before the game starts and the match commander has ultimate authority, even to stopping the game. Fans are rigorously kept apart even after they get on their transport and the BTP are well organised. It's interesting that the only major problems with fans are Rangers and Celtic, and the last time there was major trouble was Rangers in Manchester where there wasn't the same policing and it was roundly condemned all round here. However, Rangers do have a problem with bigoted sectarian right wing idiots, as shown in George Square following the referendum. The courts do come down hard on football related violence, as do the clubs; anyone causing trouble will be barred, as with international games.

It requires a willingness to work together from the government, the courts, the police, the clubs, the licencees and the fans in order to turn around football violence. Luckily in Scotland all were on board to turn it around and football games are family-friendly activities with the police rapidly clamping down on trouble away from the grounds.

Incidentally, my mother was in Aberdeen the night the Dons won the European Cup Winners' Cup and although there was loud partying, at no time did she feel unsafe and there was no damage. In addition, the club hired a ferry to take fans to and from Gothenburg, and the company noted that not even a light bulb was broken despite the partying.

But continue with your ignorance about the present day and continue living in the past and bringing up old history to justify your contemporary thugs.