To point out that Ireland is a separate country?

[DrMantisToboggan]

Just that.

Ireland is a sovereign state, not part of the U.K. It hasn’t been part of the U.K. since 1922.

Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom. It’s not part of Great Britain though.

Some people refer to Ireland as the Republic of Ireland, partly to differentiate it from Northern Ireland, but the legal name of the state is Ireland.

While I’m at it, the term “British Isles” is controversial and the product of colonialist geography (geography is not a value-free discipline obviously). The British Gov itself apparently has internal guidance not to use it. In joint documents the British and Irish Govs use the euphemistic phrase “these islands”, and other options include Western Atlantic Archipelago or Islands Of the North Atlantic.

There’s no such country as “Southern Ireland”. And “Eire” is also incorrect, unless you’re in the habit of referring to Germany as Deutschland or Spain as España.

That’s a whole other thread blue. This one is an informative thread.

OP, the legal name of the state reflects nothing more than its hegemonic and revanchist aspirations.

OP, the legal name of the state reflects nothing more than its hegemonic and revanchist aspirations.

Revanchist perhaps, although the amendment of Articles 2 & 3 rather diminishes that.

Hegemonic - no, I disagree there. I see it more as a protest (of its time) against what was widely viewed as the anti-democratic partitioning of the island of Ireland.

DrMantis what is the British Government? Do you mean the UK Government?

So your point is to clarify that the republic of Ireland is no longer part of the United Kingdom, unlike N.Ireland which still is? and despite having 3 threads banned today you keep restating it?

Will you finally get around to saying what your real reason for posting is? other than stirring up hatred and sectarianism

nd despite having 3 threads banned today you keep restating it

The OP didn't start any of the threads.
None of the threads were banned. They were deleted. But we can't talk about them. Definitely no sectarian stuff.

Have a look here

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/3299955-When-does-a-TAAT-become-a-TAAT-or-a-thread-in-its-own-right

It’s not sectarian to point out that Ireland is a separate and independent country, Walkingdeadfangirl, how odd that you think it is.

Politicalacuity touché! Although I think both are acceptable. UKish government unlikely to catch on...

Definitely no sectarian stuff
Sorry trying to say that N.Ireland is 'occupied' territory is very sectarian! And pushing the idea that Ireland is all one 'island', is also sectarian because its not, its 2 different countries.

Cool. There's already been a thread on this today

Oh dear Walkingdeadfangirl you need to look at an atlas. Ireland (the geographical entity) is an island. Ireland is also the legal name of the state which was established in 1922 and which comprises 26 counties on that island.

I didn’t say anything about “occupied territory”, by the way.

Sorry trying to say that N.Ireland is 'occupied' territory is very sectarian! And pushing the idea that Ireland is all one 'island', is also sectarian because its not, its 2 different countrie

Good thing the OP hasn't done that then

How about the six counties and the free state? That’s pretty clear?

Oh ffs. Ireland is one island as in one geographical landmass. That is a fact. It's also a fact that the island is compromised of two separate entities - ROI and NI. As an Irish person, the British Isles term gets my hackles up and it needs to be consigned to history.

OP I agree with you in bringing this up, it's shocking how some people don't know the basic geography and politics of the islands. Very clearly seen during the Brexit debates where it was obvious that some UK citizens couldn't quite understand that it wasn't Irelands fault and that we weren't going to just roll over, fix all the issues we weren't causing or follow the UK out of the EU.

This article is a great example. www.google.ie/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/4940971/irelands-naive-young-prime-minister-should-shut-his-gob-on-brexit-and-grow-up/amp/

The Free State does not exist any more, that ended in 1937 when the Irish Constitution came into effect. It was the term used when we were part of the Commonwealth and our parliament had to pledge allegiance to the King, among other things.

Will you finally get around to saying what your real reason for posting is? other than stirring up hatred and sectarianism

Stating the geographical and political realities of the entities known as Ireland, Wales, Scotland, England, Northern Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom is now "stirring up hatred and sectarianism"??

Every time there is a thread about IrelandGB/UK on MN it turns out a signicant number of posters have no idea of the history of England/ Ireland (and presumably England/Scotland - England/Wales is presumably lost in the mists of time at this point), no idea that Northern Ireland is actually a part of the United Kingdom, no idea why using the correct names matters.

@Blizzardagain and it has done not one bit of justice to anyone. This is the first of three threads today to talk about the fact that Ireland is NOT the UK nor is it GB. It is just lil ol Ireland. All by itself, not harming anyone (bar brexiters cough) and sitting around counting our leprechaun. We want no affiliation with britain, great or otherwise nor do we want affliation with 'the british aisles' wherever they may be nor also a thing to do with your 'united' kingdom which clearly is anything but. We are, we we remain and we always will be a republic FAR far from your land of britain.

Judging by the threads on here, they’ve stoped teaching history and geography in English schools. Can’t believe people don’t know this

What? Really? It is not news to many.

I do not see the point of this thread.

Yes but I do love the rugby team, The 6 nations is ace. I do not like a certain Ulster pair of rugby players though.

Peace and love to everyone in the Western Atlantic Archipelago or Islands Of the North Atlantic.

I do not see the point of this thread

There are plenty of people on here who do get the point of this thread.

Geography and place names do reveal a lot - and trying to get names that aren't controversial to other countries is a challenge.

No doubt the French aren't over happy with The English Channel and the Straits of Dover. I wonder what the documentation was like for the Channel Tunnel.

Then there's the Irish sea. Maybe it should be the British sea as well?

I did not mean I did not see the point as it a pointless thread.

I thought the OP was obvious to people given the history, That Ireland was not part of the UK. I have not been on today and did not see the other threads.

The French call the English Channel ‘La Manche’

The French call the English Channel ‘La Manche

And it's the Pas de Calais, not the Dover straits....

What do people who are not English or French call these stretches of water?

Currently the Republic of Ireland (Eire) is a sovereign state.
Northern Ireland forms part of the United Kingdom ( a separate sovereign state).
Historically, NI is disputed land and was originally part of a united Ireland. That as a while ago and there are plenty who would wish NI to remain part of U.K. and plenty who would want a u tied Ireland.
Violence is not the answer an£ the Good Friday agreement was one of the best things to come out of the Blair government. Hopefully brexit will not derail peace ( which is, at best, fragile).