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SIL rant

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jacks11 · 07/07/2018 17:55

I should probably just ignore, but wondering if I have (inadvertently) been unreasonable?

DB and his family have come up for the weekend, mainly to see my parents as it is DN's birthday this weekend (tomorrow). Briefly, the reason this involves me in any way is DP's live in house on our land (for various reasons, works for both of us) but don't really have room for DB/SIL and their 3 DCs, and due to my dad's health he does find really busy/noisy house quite tiring. For this reason, on the few occasions they do come for more than the day they all stay with me. DB and I aren't close, long back story. Although lately I have been feeling decidedly sorry for him due to SIL's behaviour... but that's another story.

It was their (DB and SIL) idea to come for the weekend. SIL has been such a pain since she arrived (well, since I arrived to collect them, as neither DB nor SIL drive). When I arrived to collect them, she was really quite rude (ignored me when I said hello, for example), scowled the whole journey (over an hour) and barely said a word. Even to her own children. She barely spoke to anyone on her arrival- pretty much one word answers only and continued in this manner over dinner and until bedtime. It created quite an atmosphere TBH.

No improvement to her mood this morning- I had to go out with the dogs and wanted to do so before it was too warm. DD wanted to ride, so took them out with the dogs. Let them know before we left- they have been here often enough to know where everything is and I did say "help yourself to whatever". Got back to kitchen in a pigsty, annoying but for sake of peace I just cleared it up. Anyway, was chatting to DB and he asked how DC were getting on- quick chat about what they've been up to, good school reports etc. He said similar about his DC. SIL had a few digs about going out so early "no idea why you bother" and "how annoying to have all these animals to look after". I ignored her but otherwise all quite amicable, so I thought.

As weather nice, I thought barbecue might be nice. Asked parents and DB/SIL what they thought- all keen (even SIL seemed to brighten up). We have one of those outdoor permanent BBQ house things (came with house when we bought it) but doesn't often get used much so thought it would be fun. Of course, I don't keep enough burgers etc to feed everyone so I said I was going to go shopping to get everything. SIL asked if she could come- no problem but only popping down to farm shop down the road as don't really want to go into town (quite a lot further). I proceed to go to shop and buy burgers, sausages etc and a few other things that I probably don't need but thought may be nice (gin)/useful for store cupboard.

On the way back in the car SIL got really quite annoyed about the amount I had spent because it's more than she would spend "food for a week". I think it's none of her business and I have never (and don't intend to) ask for a financial contribution towards meals from guests, so really what I spend is not an issue for anyone else. She wouldn't have known if she hadn't asked to come, so it's not like I did it to deliberately rub her nose in it. TBH I didn't even register that it may be a problem. I just said "ok, well sorry you're upset but I don't think I've done anything wrong". She went off in a huff, I've ignored it and carried on.

Now, I've just had a rant from SIL. About everything, and how unfair it is. She has apparently looked up the school fees, how much the last holiday we took must have cost (she didn't get it right) and so on. I don't get it- none of this is new or different from how it has been for a long time. She is still furious that we didn't loan them money recently, apparently (but this is because they have form for not paying back money lent to them). She has somehow learned that I have just bought an expensive thing related to my and DC's hobby (no idea how as I haven't told her or DB anything about it). It was more than they had asked to borrow and she feels that this is insensitive of me to have done so.... I meant, WTF is going on.

What we do with our money has got nothing to do with her. I don't think I rub their noses in it- certainly not deliberately. Some things there is simply no getting away from, we are financially secure and have a good quality of life and it is obviously different from theirs, no hiding it. BUT I have never told her how much anything is or gone on about holidays/cars etc (they aren't that interesting to anyone else). I don't discuss how much anything costs/what I spend on things with anyone really (other than DP) as I think that is rude. So the only way she knows this is to have looked it up herself- but how is that anything to so with me?

I get that she may be upset we wouldn't lend them money, but it wouldn't be a loan, as they never pay it back. Despite their promises. I have written off the money lent to them in the past, but I am not doing it again as I don't like being treated like a mug. It's not really the money, it's the principle. Yes, I can afford to lend it to them but I am not their personal cash machine. And I know that it wouldn't stop at one loan, it would be constant pestering for money (this is what happened after the first episode). So I said no- and would only help again in an absolute emergency (e.g. they were going to be made homeless or something like that).

I can understand that she might not particularly have wanted to come- but it was their suggestion. I suppose it's possible it was DB's ideas, but even so, surely she either makes her excuses and stays at home, or comes and behaves with good grace?

I guess I'm struggling to see why this is a problem now and why she things our finances are any of her business?

OP posts:
DartmoorDoughnut · 07/07/2018 21:24

Just tell her you aren’t a bank and you aren’t there to subsidise the lifestyle she wants

AlbertaSimmons · 07/07/2018 21:37

Sorry jacks but can we back up to mummyoflittledragon on page one my brother kept a spreadsheet of my finances? WTAF Shock.

Needsmorebeans · 07/07/2018 21:55

I have a DB and SIL like this and eventually I went NC. SIL would always walk in my house saying 'you are so lucky to have a big house' (It's not that big or special btw but bigger than theirs was). We have always worked and DB didn't, so that's why we had more. Things came to a head when db didn't help us for 18 months with ill DM who then died and left us all an equal share. He came back to us for more money as he didn't have enough to buy SIL the house she wanted. We were disgusted frankly.
No matter what you give them, it will never be enough the resentment will never end. It's in her nature to blame you for your success and not herself and DB for lack of.

ADishBestEatenCold · 07/07/2018 22:10

"You are a guest in OUR home and I expect you to act with good grace and good manners. How we spend OUR money is NONE of your business and never will be."

Could be a bit harsh. The thing about following Graphista's advice and saying this to SIL is that (it seems) that they have no choice about being guests in your home if^ they and their children are to see their GPs.

It's already been said that your parents home is too small for your DBs family to visit, so do they have any other options or do they have to stay with you. (Clearly the nearby hotels are not financially possible).

Could your parents go and stay with DB and see them that way?

Fishface77 · 07/07/2018 22:11

I remember your old thread op.
Their still being a right pair of dicks then!

MissCharleyP · 07/07/2018 22:19

I’ll jump in about the deposit; it must have pissed you off but, to be fair I’d have taken a council place over private rented (had I been eligible) as it’s much more secure. Very kind of you to lend it but I can see why they made that decision, especially if on a low income. I would have paid you back though!

I haven’t read your other thread, so I don’t know the backstory, she’s obviously jealous. However (and this is just from personal experience), I have a lovely friend who I’ve known for years. She has a very well-paid job and has worked very hard to get where she is. I wouldn’t want her job (long hours, stressful targets) and couldn’t do it. However, she did used to annoy me when she used to say stuff like “I’m skint, money just goes so fast” or “It cost me a fortune to fill up my car” (she got a fuel allowance as part of her job) when I earned less than half her wage. I’m not saying you have but have you ever made remarks like this as an excuse as to why you couldn’t lend them money?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/07/2018 22:30

@jacks11 I've just been looking at your other threads about this pair, and all I'm seeing is (no doubt well meant) appeasement of truly appalling behaviour. Whether SIL knows the full details of DB's choices or not, they both seem unable to grasp the concept of consequences, nor will they while they're being indulged because it keeps your DPs happy

Given what she did with her will it seems your DGM understood this; planning a trust for DB in their own will suggests that your DPs do too, which is surely no bad thing even if it causes armageddon when the time comes

They're not going to change, you know - at least, not while they can leverage their perceived victimhood to get what they want and their dreadful attitude in your home is allowed to pass without comment. Personally I'd be delivering some very straightforward words about what's led to this situation and exactly what you are and aren't prepared to tolerate from now on; they wouldn't like it of course, but I'd suggest that can't be helped if you ever want to break out of this

MsSquiz · 07/07/2018 22:41

She sounds like my SIL (DH's sister) she is a millionaire as is DH, BIL (DH's brother) and DPIL but will baulk at spending anything she deems "unnecessary".

MIL went to the cinema to see the greatest showman with a group of us and loved it SIL couldn't go. MIL said she would go again with SIL to see it, and possibly even again she loved it so much (she is retired and has the funds, so why not?!) SIL couldn't believe her mother would pay another £10 to go see the same film! Yet she had no problem with PIL paying for her carpets at one house and paying for the full redec of a room at the coast house. Hmm

If she brings money up with me, I always play on it, our money, our life and we are happy. Job done

Graphista · 07/07/2018 22:51

OF COURSE they have a choice! They're not prisoners op and family didn't bloody kidnap them! That they begrudge spending their OWN money to get a train (hours drive away can't be THAT expensive), and just do as a day trip, stay with pil, stay in a hotel... Isn't OP'S fault.

Neither is their complete inability to manage their own finances.

ADishBestEatenCold · 07/07/2018 23:01

"That they begrudge spending their OWN money to get a train (hours drive away can't be THAT expensive), and just do as a day trip, stay with pil, stay in a hotel... Isn't OP'S fault."

I don't mean that it is OP's fault that DB's family can't afford these things, however I did get the impression from the OP's posts that they really cannot afford them ... the train, the hour long taxi after the train, or the hotels.
I also got the impression from the OP's posts that the GPs home is too small for DB and his family to visit there.

Which is why I was asking if the GPs were able to visit DB's family at DB's home? Can't quite see what other options there are.

WowLookAtYou · 07/07/2018 23:01

Is this the DB who stole your grandmother's jewellery?

EnterprisingIdeaOP · 07/07/2018 23:19

What a horrid woman!

I have worked hard to be in a job that pays me well - it's stressful, takes me away from home more than I'd like but it allows me and DH to live comfortably - nice holidays, invest in the house, eat out etc. SIL says she doesn't want to work and BIL prefers the freedom of odd jobs rather than 'working for the man'.

About a month ago we did some work on the house and booked a holiday in the same week. (Shock horror!). DFIL was helping DH to finish some wiring and MIL/SIL came over to pass a message on to FIL. The only comment SIL made to me while they were here was 'that must have cost you' turned on her heel and left.

20mins later she posted a pic of her and 3month old DN on FB with the heading. 'Some things money can't buy' - After 3 years TTC, DH & I had had test results back the week before confirming that we're more likely to see two blue moons than have children - he had told MIL (so by default SIL). No one will ever convince me that the comment and the post weren't related.

The green eyed monster is a terrible irrational thing that makes people act horribly! Sounds like your SIL has a bad case of it OP!

AcrossthePond55 · 07/07/2018 23:22

Actually, parking an old caravan isn't a bad idea!

We've had guests stay in our caravan on our property rather than in the guest room. All the comforts of home, full bath, and a kitchen. What's not to like?

jay55 · 07/07/2018 23:29

If she’d turned up for her course she wouldn’t be in the current financial shit she’s in. But she’d much rather blame you for not bailing her out.

Mummyoflittledragon · 07/07/2018 23:47

Enterprisingidea

I’m so sorry that must have hurt a lot. Flowers

Nofilter · 08/07/2018 00:00

Enterprising - that is utterly horrid. Flowers

TheMonkeyMummy · 08/07/2018 00:11

@EnterprisingIdea, that's awful!

MsAdorabelleDearheartVonLipwig · 08/07/2018 00:45

Sounds like a self centred, lazy, entitled, jealous twat who blames the world around her for not having the lifestyle she wants. She needs to suck it up and get off her arse and change her outlook on life.

Buuuut, as that’s obviously not going to happen, Op get on the gin.

MsAdorabelleDearheartVonLipwig · 08/07/2018 00:47

Bloody hell EnterprisingIdeaOP Sad

Tatiannatomasina · 08/07/2018 00:58

My sister is better off than me by a country mile. I am bloody delighted for her, she works so hard and deserves every penny. She is exceedingly generous and has gifted us some lovely things. Recently i have found myself in a much better financial position and was able to loan her a substantial amount of money for 2 years to help her business. It was paid back as agreed and when she added interest i sent that back. Thats what families do. Your brother and his wife are cheeky piss takers and I would consider your stance very carefully. I would not facilitate them staying anymore and when they leave I would tell them this and tell them why. Greedy blood suckers.

ilovvvvemud · 08/07/2018 01:21

Urh she sounds SOOOOOO JELOUS!!

KC225 · 08/07/2018 01:39

Gosh she sounds like hard work. Clearly you haven't done anything wrong, you sound like a generous host. She does sound unhappy with her lot but her finances are not your problem and as you have said, loaning/giving them more money will not alter their lifestyle but it will make you resentful. Your conscience is clear if you have bailed them out before.

Her arrival with attitude suggests words with your brother beforehand mixed with a brooding resentment of your lifestyle. Instead of totting up of your expenses she should be examining her own expenditure.

I think you should limit the time you spend with her. If you want contact with your brother and for your parents to have contact them, then keep it to a weekend visits but make sure you are busy with activities. Use the 'I'll leave you to spend some alone time with mum and dad.'. If she storms off or sulks ignore it. Nip out and do a food shop without telling her.

I would have a word with your brother, say you are disappointed that SIL doesn't seem to be enjoying the weekend. Perhaps suggest to him he could come with the children if SIL wants to 'study at home'.

Good luck OP. Not long now.

Clubcuts · 08/07/2018 01:54

Op she's as made as a box of frogs!!

@EnterprisingIdeaOP I'm so truly sorry you have such a cunt in your life. My advice is to get rid of her. Thanks

WellThisIsShit · 08/07/2018 03:09

People can get very screwed up all out of shape and squirrelly about perceived injustices in families, and it’s horrible to be on the receiving end Flowers

Fuckwithnosensesauce · 08/07/2018 03:48

You sound lovely. How did your brother grow up having such poor judgement? She is jealous and it’s eating her up to see you secure and comfortable.....just like she wants to be.

I too am a bit jealous of your lovely life!!!