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SIL rant

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jacks11 · 07/07/2018 17:55

I should probably just ignore, but wondering if I have (inadvertently) been unreasonable?

DB and his family have come up for the weekend, mainly to see my parents as it is DN's birthday this weekend (tomorrow). Briefly, the reason this involves me in any way is DP's live in house on our land (for various reasons, works for both of us) but don't really have room for DB/SIL and their 3 DCs, and due to my dad's health he does find really busy/noisy house quite tiring. For this reason, on the few occasions they do come for more than the day they all stay with me. DB and I aren't close, long back story. Although lately I have been feeling decidedly sorry for him due to SIL's behaviour... but that's another story.

It was their (DB and SIL) idea to come for the weekend. SIL has been such a pain since she arrived (well, since I arrived to collect them, as neither DB nor SIL drive). When I arrived to collect them, she was really quite rude (ignored me when I said hello, for example), scowled the whole journey (over an hour) and barely said a word. Even to her own children. She barely spoke to anyone on her arrival- pretty much one word answers only and continued in this manner over dinner and until bedtime. It created quite an atmosphere TBH.

No improvement to her mood this morning- I had to go out with the dogs and wanted to do so before it was too warm. DD wanted to ride, so took them out with the dogs. Let them know before we left- they have been here often enough to know where everything is and I did say "help yourself to whatever". Got back to kitchen in a pigsty, annoying but for sake of peace I just cleared it up. Anyway, was chatting to DB and he asked how DC were getting on- quick chat about what they've been up to, good school reports etc. He said similar about his DC. SIL had a few digs about going out so early "no idea why you bother" and "how annoying to have all these animals to look after". I ignored her but otherwise all quite amicable, so I thought.

As weather nice, I thought barbecue might be nice. Asked parents and DB/SIL what they thought- all keen (even SIL seemed to brighten up). We have one of those outdoor permanent BBQ house things (came with house when we bought it) but doesn't often get used much so thought it would be fun. Of course, I don't keep enough burgers etc to feed everyone so I said I was going to go shopping to get everything. SIL asked if she could come- no problem but only popping down to farm shop down the road as don't really want to go into town (quite a lot further). I proceed to go to shop and buy burgers, sausages etc and a few other things that I probably don't need but thought may be nice (gin)/useful for store cupboard.

On the way back in the car SIL got really quite annoyed about the amount I had spent because it's more than she would spend "food for a week". I think it's none of her business and I have never (and don't intend to) ask for a financial contribution towards meals from guests, so really what I spend is not an issue for anyone else. She wouldn't have known if she hadn't asked to come, so it's not like I did it to deliberately rub her nose in it. TBH I didn't even register that it may be a problem. I just said "ok, well sorry you're upset but I don't think I've done anything wrong". She went off in a huff, I've ignored it and carried on.

Now, I've just had a rant from SIL. About everything, and how unfair it is. She has apparently looked up the school fees, how much the last holiday we took must have cost (she didn't get it right) and so on. I don't get it- none of this is new or different from how it has been for a long time. She is still furious that we didn't loan them money recently, apparently (but this is because they have form for not paying back money lent to them). She has somehow learned that I have just bought an expensive thing related to my and DC's hobby (no idea how as I haven't told her or DB anything about it). It was more than they had asked to borrow and she feels that this is insensitive of me to have done so.... I meant, WTF is going on.

What we do with our money has got nothing to do with her. I don't think I rub their noses in it- certainly not deliberately. Some things there is simply no getting away from, we are financially secure and have a good quality of life and it is obviously different from theirs, no hiding it. BUT I have never told her how much anything is or gone on about holidays/cars etc (they aren't that interesting to anyone else). I don't discuss how much anything costs/what I spend on things with anyone really (other than DP) as I think that is rude. So the only way she knows this is to have looked it up herself- but how is that anything to so with me?

I get that she may be upset we wouldn't lend them money, but it wouldn't be a loan, as they never pay it back. Despite their promises. I have written off the money lent to them in the past, but I am not doing it again as I don't like being treated like a mug. It's not really the money, it's the principle. Yes, I can afford to lend it to them but I am not their personal cash machine. And I know that it wouldn't stop at one loan, it would be constant pestering for money (this is what happened after the first episode). So I said no- and would only help again in an absolute emergency (e.g. they were going to be made homeless or something like that).

I can understand that she might not particularly have wanted to come- but it was their suggestion. I suppose it's possible it was DB's ideas, but even so, surely she either makes her excuses and stays at home, or comes and behaves with good grace?

I guess I'm struggling to see why this is a problem now and why she things our finances are any of her business?

OP posts:
beanaseireann · 07/07/2018 18:50

She is jealous and rude.
I'd just keep repeating to her 'We gave you a loan which you never repaid so why would we lend you money again ?'
Never invite them again and tell your db why.

jacks11 · 07/07/2018 18:55

yes, I have posted about them before.

I suppose it's such an extreme reaction to buying some burgers, I started to doubt myself. Though think it would have been worse if I'd bought cheap food from a place I don't normally shop.

OP posts:
Kaleidoscope101 · 07/07/2018 18:57

Jealous, jealous, jealous.
And now upset that you won't lend (give) them money.
Your finances are no one else's business but yours. She has no right to think that just because you are better off that you will bank roll her life.
I get the feeling though that your SIL may have heard the story about your grandmothers inheritance differently to how you tell it Hmm

Adviceplease360 · 07/07/2018 18:57

Yadnbu.
You gave them a deposit for a flat! Be my sister!

NotTakenUsername · 07/07/2018 19:01

I’m jealous of you!! I wish my dh family helped us out to buy a house and my grandmother had had two pennies to rub together.

trojanpony · 07/07/2018 19:02

This sounds draining and she sounds very jealous

I would think about whether or not can have a separate (sensible) conversation with your brother about this and I’d consider whether or not you want them to stay again

AnneLovesGilbert · 07/07/2018 19:03

Of course it would. She’d then have accused you of being cheap and not sharing your extreme wealth by buying them the food you usually eat, on your gilded throne surrounded by white peacocks or something Grin

Not in the same league at all but one of my siblings has been like this is in the past. Things we’re all minted and indulges in hospitality while expecting us to contribute absolutely everything if they host, makes jibes about how lucky we are to have mortgages, about holidays or meals out, has borrowed money from most of us and often not paid it back and is still scrounging from my mum who rants at me but won’t stop bailing him and SIL out. The difference is that I and other siblings and all spouses choose to work ft, have bothered to get qualifications and gone without in order to have things better longer term and don’t waste money on stupid things while claiming penury.

Grown able healthy adults who can’t be fucked with working won’t have the same standard of living as those who do. It’s not magic.

I’ve stopped lending them anything, it won’t help long term and probably won’t be paid back. The real joke is it was that sibling who took an enormous loan off one of my parents under fall pretences and won’t pay back a penny. Which has somehow made them resentful and yet more entitled. Mind boggles.

WhatchaMaCalllit · 07/07/2018 19:06

She's rude. Have a word with your DB. See what he says.

DeadGood · 07/07/2018 19:06

“I don’t agree that smiling and turning the other cheek to her barbs is a good idea because she’s going to keep doing it.”

This.

OP you mention ignoring her shocking behaviour so many times in your post. Why? I know it’s awkward but it creates a dynamic in which she’s allowed to treat you as badly as she wants.

Marriedwithchildren5 · 07/07/2018 19:08

You sound like an amazing host. I want to come and stay live with you. Unfortuantly it's probably really difficult to see your way of living when it is probably what she wants. Not excusing her in any way but that's the root of it. I doubt it will improve whether or not you call her out on it!

ohfourfoxache · 07/07/2018 19:11

Bloody hell, I dread to think how much you’ve written off Shock

Perhaps you should invite her to leave - or refuse to host them again

FiestaThenSiesta · 07/07/2018 19:14

I’d have a not so quiet word with her about how rude she is to you in your own home (inviting herself over and expecting you to pay for everything) and demand an apology. If she doesn’t think she owes you one, suggest she gets a taxi next time she wants to visit and pitches a tent in the backyard and she’s worn out your hospitality.

Juells · 07/07/2018 19:16

Hugely entitled. You're way too polite, I'd have driven her back to wherever you collected her, and dumped her out of the car.

InfiniteVariety · 07/07/2018 19:22

Regarding the money your grandmother left you - are you sure your DB hasn't told SIL a version in which he has made it sound like he was treated unfairly? So she thinks that's why you have lots of money and they have none?

HollowTalk · 07/07/2018 19:25

I bet your brother thought you should have shared that inheritance.

Mumminmum · 07/07/2018 19:26

"Who funds it?". Yeah, right, because a woman couldn't possible be funding it herself, could she? Jeeez. Some people.

AveABanana · 07/07/2018 19:27

Is this the BIL that stole from your DGP which is why he didn't get an inheritance?

Poloshot · 07/07/2018 19:32

Best thing you can do is offer to drop her home tonight

WhereYouLeftIt · 07/07/2018 19:33

You have dealt with her behaviour in a particular way so far, which sounds pretty much like ignoring and minimising to me. Is it working? Is her behaviour improving? I think it's a pretty solid 'no', isn't it?

So, on the basis that doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome is the definition of madness - you need to change what you do (unless, of course, you are happy to put up with her current behaviour for the rest of your life).

Stop ignoring, stop minimising.

  • She complains about not being loaned money, you respond that it's not a loan when you don't repay it.
  • She jibs about what you've spent on your hobby, you respond that it's your money to spend.
  • She complains about what you spend on food, you tell her she doesn't have to eat it.

I'm sure you can see the pattern.

And yes, I'd also take her to one side and tell her that if she's going to insist on having a go at you all the time, she's no longer welcome and can just fuck off stay at home next time. She is your guest and can bloody well behave herself for the time she spends under your roof.

Fruitbat1980 · 07/07/2018 19:37

I am deeply jealous that you have a good farm shop that does good burgers near you.
Aside from that YANBU.

yikesanotherbooboo · 07/07/2018 19:42

YANBU
And your sil is plain rude. I am a massive pacifier/ pushover and wouldn't be mollifying. I feel for your DB who must be able to see every side of this situation. For the sake of my DB and my DPs I wouldn't make a scene but I wouldn't be feeling bad about spending too much buying food for my guests!

FrancisCrawford · 07/07/2018 19:43

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Andro · 07/07/2018 19:46

I remember you OP, they really haven't improved, have they?

Personally, I'd stop hosting or collecting them at all...but that would make things difficult for your DP's.

PoohBearsHole · 07/07/2018 19:49

We (Dh and I) often comment to EACH other only about sil/bil finances. However, pil spend a massive amount of time telling us how down on their luck they are etc etc how they don’t have any money, how we are so lucky etc. Their dc are at private school, they go on a holiday each school holidays, have horses. We do spend time wondering how they can afford it all, the reason for our conversation (because they are soooooo down on their luck) turns out pil do pay a considerable amount towards their life style.

HOWEVER, at no point have we been rude to either set of il about it. We independently discuss how it would be nice if they “shared” the financial help occasionally - perhaps cover the costs of a club or extra curricular lesson BUT again not with pil.

YANBU your sister sounds like a complete cow.

( If she’s anything like my sil/pil then there are pa digs about how i spend dh’s money (actually he spends mine too!) about how dh has to work so hard to fund me 🙄. They don’t know anything......)

Armchairanarchist · 07/07/2018 19:52

Oh dear i could have written this but it's DH's sister and her husband. They screw everyone over financially and are happy to accept our hospitality but it's always accompanied with snide comments and a sense of entitlement. They seem to believe we've been given huge amounts by his parents but the reality is we've never received a penny and they owe them thousands of pounds. It's just weird.

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