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SIL rant

131 replies

jacks11 · 07/07/2018 17:55

I should probably just ignore, but wondering if I have (inadvertently) been unreasonable?

DB and his family have come up for the weekend, mainly to see my parents as it is DN's birthday this weekend (tomorrow). Briefly, the reason this involves me in any way is DP's live in house on our land (for various reasons, works for both of us) but don't really have room for DB/SIL and their 3 DCs, and due to my dad's health he does find really busy/noisy house quite tiring. For this reason, on the few occasions they do come for more than the day they all stay with me. DB and I aren't close, long back story. Although lately I have been feeling decidedly sorry for him due to SIL's behaviour... but that's another story.

It was their (DB and SIL) idea to come for the weekend. SIL has been such a pain since she arrived (well, since I arrived to collect them, as neither DB nor SIL drive). When I arrived to collect them, she was really quite rude (ignored me when I said hello, for example), scowled the whole journey (over an hour) and barely said a word. Even to her own children. She barely spoke to anyone on her arrival- pretty much one word answers only and continued in this manner over dinner and until bedtime. It created quite an atmosphere TBH.

No improvement to her mood this morning- I had to go out with the dogs and wanted to do so before it was too warm. DD wanted to ride, so took them out with the dogs. Let them know before we left- they have been here often enough to know where everything is and I did say "help yourself to whatever". Got back to kitchen in a pigsty, annoying but for sake of peace I just cleared it up. Anyway, was chatting to DB and he asked how DC were getting on- quick chat about what they've been up to, good school reports etc. He said similar about his DC. SIL had a few digs about going out so early "no idea why you bother" and "how annoying to have all these animals to look after". I ignored her but otherwise all quite amicable, so I thought.

As weather nice, I thought barbecue might be nice. Asked parents and DB/SIL what they thought- all keen (even SIL seemed to brighten up). We have one of those outdoor permanent BBQ house things (came with house when we bought it) but doesn't often get used much so thought it would be fun. Of course, I don't keep enough burgers etc to feed everyone so I said I was going to go shopping to get everything. SIL asked if she could come- no problem but only popping down to farm shop down the road as don't really want to go into town (quite a lot further). I proceed to go to shop and buy burgers, sausages etc and a few other things that I probably don't need but thought may be nice (gin)/useful for store cupboard.

On the way back in the car SIL got really quite annoyed about the amount I had spent because it's more than she would spend "food for a week". I think it's none of her business and I have never (and don't intend to) ask for a financial contribution towards meals from guests, so really what I spend is not an issue for anyone else. She wouldn't have known if she hadn't asked to come, so it's not like I did it to deliberately rub her nose in it. TBH I didn't even register that it may be a problem. I just said "ok, well sorry you're upset but I don't think I've done anything wrong". She went off in a huff, I've ignored it and carried on.

Now, I've just had a rant from SIL. About everything, and how unfair it is. She has apparently looked up the school fees, how much the last holiday we took must have cost (she didn't get it right) and so on. I don't get it- none of this is new or different from how it has been for a long time. She is still furious that we didn't loan them money recently, apparently (but this is because they have form for not paying back money lent to them). She has somehow learned that I have just bought an expensive thing related to my and DC's hobby (no idea how as I haven't told her or DB anything about it). It was more than they had asked to borrow and she feels that this is insensitive of me to have done so.... I meant, WTF is going on.

What we do with our money has got nothing to do with her. I don't think I rub their noses in it- certainly not deliberately. Some things there is simply no getting away from, we are financially secure and have a good quality of life and it is obviously different from theirs, no hiding it. BUT I have never told her how much anything is or gone on about holidays/cars etc (they aren't that interesting to anyone else). I don't discuss how much anything costs/what I spend on things with anyone really (other than DP) as I think that is rude. So the only way she knows this is to have looked it up herself- but how is that anything to so with me?

I get that she may be upset we wouldn't lend them money, but it wouldn't be a loan, as they never pay it back. Despite their promises. I have written off the money lent to them in the past, but I am not doing it again as I don't like being treated like a mug. It's not really the money, it's the principle. Yes, I can afford to lend it to them but I am not their personal cash machine. And I know that it wouldn't stop at one loan, it would be constant pestering for money (this is what happened after the first episode). So I said no- and would only help again in an absolute emergency (e.g. they were going to be made homeless or something like that).

I can understand that she might not particularly have wanted to come- but it was their suggestion. I suppose it's possible it was DB's ideas, but even so, surely she either makes her excuses and stays at home, or comes and behaves with good grace?

I guess I'm struggling to see why this is a problem now and why she things our finances are any of her business?

OP posts:
GetInMaBelleh · 07/07/2018 20:00

She sounds like a knob!!

Nofilter · 07/07/2018 20:05

I’d pull her up on it in front of your DB and nip it in the bud once and for all...

AcrossthePond55 · 07/07/2018 20:12

I'd be tempted to simply tell DB that I wouldn't host them anymore because SiL can't keep her mouth shut about my finances. But then I'm afraid I'd think about my parents and how much DB's visits probably mean to them and I'd probably cave. It's tough to be stuck in the middle.

If SiL is giving you the silent treatment, thank your lucky stars. It's easy to ignore someone who's ignoring you. Better than hearing her nasty comments.

Talking to either DB or SiL probably isn't going to accomplish anything and if you put your foot down they'd probably run to your parents about how they aren't going to be able to visit them anymore.

jacks11 · 07/07/2018 20:17

advice- to be clear, it was a rent deposit- not for a mortgage.

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Cismyass · 07/07/2018 20:27

She is just sick with jealousy (i am a little jealous myself-your life sounds lush OP).

BounceAndClimb · 07/07/2018 20:30

Sounds like she didn't want to go, doesn't like his family or has possibly argued with him so is in a bad mood and if its for her daughters birthday them she didn't have much option but to.
I'd just get on with it and ignore her, sounds like she doesn't want to be involved so just leave her to it.

AnneLovesGilbert · 07/07/2018 20:31

There’s no reason at all that the only way DB can set his parents is by staying with OP. If she didn’t have space they’d stay in a hotel and take taxis. Or they’d meet halfway or any other available option.

OP isn’t obliged to host anyone who’s rude to her.

jacks11 · 07/07/2018 20:34

I will speak to DB about it- if only so she doesn't go back with a sob story and cause more trouble.

I have minimised contact with them since last time we had a spat (yes, I have posted about them before to posters who recognise the situation). I try not to have an argument when they are here, for our parents sake- I then just avoid. Nothing I say will change the way they are, so I can have it out with them- and have done in the past- but nothing changes. So normally, I just avoid contact as much as possible and deal with the crap I have to (like refusing the loan).

Although DB has a hx of awful behaviour and CFuckery, lately I can see that he is trying to make (small changes). I don't expect we'll ever be close or have much in common, but I can see there is some effort. I also worry that SIL is a really nasty piece of work (I don't like her, but it's more than that). Last time we spoke he was doing nearly all the housework, drop off/pick ups for children, making meals and evening looking after the children whilst working and was pretty tired- SIL needed to "rest" due to stress of college course. Which he later discovered she was not actually attending (so the college funded childcare was not paid for- hence the loan request to me) He also let slip that he pays all the bills and she keeps the money she gets from student finance to spend- if he challenges it she is "in a mood for days" which makes things "unbearable" for everyone. Ditto if she doesn't get to "rest" as much as she wants. He says "it's not too bad" but I do worry that she is (emotionally abusive). But I could be way off the mark, and DB is not exactly known for his truthfulness- so who knows what is really going on. And yes, pot calling kettle black as I am now speculating about their finances (which Is not really any of my business!).

I just feel conflicted- he is a pain, he's behaved badly and caused a lot of pain to me personally and to people I love. But he is my brother, and I still care, deep down. And I do worry about him. I worry about our parents and how they will cope if anything else goes wrong with him. n the other hand, I never know when to believe him and I don't know if things really are as bad as he has hinted, or whether he is exaggerating... all such a mess.

OP posts:
jacks11 · 07/07/2018 20:37

anne

No, they couldn't get a taxi (well they could, but it's well over an hours drive, so to would be expensive). There are some hotels not too far (in nearest town or some country house hotels nearer- latter quite expensive)- but still 25/30 minutes minimum by car. I don't think they'd be able/willing to pay. They do sometimes come for the day, but this involves several hours of driving for whoever collects them. Last time I made them get the train and picked them up from the station- cue much angst about cost of train fares etc.

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Birdsgottafly · 07/07/2018 20:38

"" I also inherited money from my grandmother (DB did not, due to his own actions as they were estranged.""

I can remember the thread which that was on. They obviously resent the fact that you chose not to share the inheritance and your Parents helping you out, which got you on the property ladder, in the way it did.

Going forward, money is an issue for them, try not to splash the cash around them.

Iamtryingtobenicehere · 07/07/2018 20:39

I know I shall probably be in the minority here but hey hoe here goes.

Tell your sil to wind her neck in, tell her how you see fit to spend the money you earn is none of her bloody business, tell her she will not be invited again as you feel she is lazy/judgemental/ ignorent (whatever applies) and sod her.

Honestly I’ve never felt better ir been happier than I am now, since I started telling people what I think of them. That said, I’m old (55) and think I’m allowed to be a bit eccentric.

AnneLovesGilbert · 07/07/2018 20:47

Um, going forward I would politely decline to feed them at all.

And it wasn’t OPs right or responsibility to disregard the wishes of the relative who left her money.

Graphista · 07/07/2018 20:50

I'd have a word with her.

"You are a guest in OUR home and I expect you to act with good grace and good manners. How we spend OUR money is NONE of your business and never will be. You asked for a loan which we are not obligated to lend. Learn to accept the word no. If you can't then you are welcome to leave. Take some time in your room to calm down and reset if necessary BUT for the rest of the time you're here I expect you to behave like an adult and treat everyone respectfully."

and I wouldn't give her a chance to reply! I'd just walk away in a way that makes it clear you're not standing for her bullshit!

Absolutely disgraceful way for her to behave. So rude!

And honestly - please stand by it - any more crap and she's gone.

If that means they don't see parents as much etc it's a result of THEIR behaviour. If your parents object they can either put them up themselves or pay for the transport/hotels themselves.

Because it's ALSO not your responsibility to facilitate their relationship with your parents.

Enough's enough.

Nofilter · 07/07/2018 20:51

Iamtryingtobenicehere

I know I shall probably be in the minority here but hey hoe here goes.

Tell your sil to wind her neck in, tell her how you see fit to spend the money you earn is none of her bloody business, tell her she will not be invited again as you feel she is lazy/judgemental/ ignorent (whatever applies) and sod her.

Yes!!

Aprilshouldhavebeenmyname · 07/07/2018 20:53

If you have to host in future I would hand out pot noodles to everyone. .
Tell her she is right and you are budgeting from now on.

Maelstrop · 07/07/2018 20:56

I remember your other thread, OP. It seems clear that she’s jealous, who wouldn’t be? You’re living the country life, horses etc. I’m aiming for that in my retirement! It’s not your problem that your DB fucked up. SIL could get a job, lots of people at college do. Attending her course, now, is she?

My brother used to have a spreadsheet on my finances.

What the actual fuck?! Batshit!

LakieLady · 07/07/2018 21:01

I remember your previous thread too, OP.

This woman sounds bitter and entitled. She seems to think the world owes her a living and doesn't realise that most people have worked hard to get where they are. She's obviously jealous as hell.

If you'd gone to a budget supermarket and bought horse & sawdust burgers, she'd have moaned about how tight you are, so there was no way anything you did was going to stop her having a dig at you. The fact that she doesn't get that looking after your animals gives you pleasure and therefore isn't "annoying" shows how solipsistic she is.

I find it hard to believe that someone could be entertained, fed, watered and bedded by a family member and still be snipey about it. You sound like great hosts and she's an appalling guest.

Actually, she might just be an appalling human being.

If you've got room on your land for a caravan, I'd buy a cheap old van for them to stay in when they come, and leave them to fend for themselves! But then I'm not a nice person. Grin

FlaviaAlbia · 07/07/2018 21:01

I don't see why this has to be your problem tbh. Since your parents have kept the money from the sake of their house rather than spending it on a new one, couldn't they visit your B and SIL and stay in a hotel?

LakieLady · 07/07/2018 21:02

Just realised that "bedded" isn't quite what I meant ! Sorry Blush

Bramble71 · 07/07/2018 21:04

Wow. YANBU, OP. She sounds very jealous and seems to have become bitter because of this. She's making a fool of herself, plain and simple.

If you feel brave, tell her how silly she is making herself look and ask them to leave right away. If not, find excuses not to host them again. I wouldn't write off what is owed to you either. I'd keep mentioning it.

You're financially secure and you seem to be very kind and generous with it. Don't let an envious cow change how you are.

jacks11 · 07/07/2018 21:06

@LakieLady

Grin the very thought of it! I knew what you meant.

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Tistheseason17 · 07/07/2018 21:06

I remember the other post.

She's still batshit and YNBU at all!!

3luckystars · 07/07/2018 21:07

Years ago somebody was really annoying me, and I realised that I must be unhappy myself, because it shouldn’t bother me what anyone else does.

Now I’m happy, I could not care less what they do!

You SiL and bil are not happy and they are taking it out on you. It’s as easy as that.

I think you should keep away from them until they sort their problems out.

You could say to her ‘ you are mad at the wrong person, stop taking your jealousy out on me’ but there is no point, she is not going to suddenly apologise, she needs to get happy herself and you can’t do anything to fix that. Just keep away from them.

MumW · 07/07/2018 21:13

That said, I’m old (55)
Shit, is 55 old? Shock

BewareOfDragons · 07/07/2018 21:16

If she starts up again, i'd tell her she's rude, completely out of order, and you will drop her off at the train station so she can make her own way home if she doesn't stop immediately.