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SIL rant

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jacks11 · 07/07/2018 17:55

I should probably just ignore, but wondering if I have (inadvertently) been unreasonable?

DB and his family have come up for the weekend, mainly to see my parents as it is DN's birthday this weekend (tomorrow). Briefly, the reason this involves me in any way is DP's live in house on our land (for various reasons, works for both of us) but don't really have room for DB/SIL and their 3 DCs, and due to my dad's health he does find really busy/noisy house quite tiring. For this reason, on the few occasions they do come for more than the day they all stay with me. DB and I aren't close, long back story. Although lately I have been feeling decidedly sorry for him due to SIL's behaviour... but that's another story.

It was their (DB and SIL) idea to come for the weekend. SIL has been such a pain since she arrived (well, since I arrived to collect them, as neither DB nor SIL drive). When I arrived to collect them, she was really quite rude (ignored me when I said hello, for example), scowled the whole journey (over an hour) and barely said a word. Even to her own children. She barely spoke to anyone on her arrival- pretty much one word answers only and continued in this manner over dinner and until bedtime. It created quite an atmosphere TBH.

No improvement to her mood this morning- I had to go out with the dogs and wanted to do so before it was too warm. DD wanted to ride, so took them out with the dogs. Let them know before we left- they have been here often enough to know where everything is and I did say "help yourself to whatever". Got back to kitchen in a pigsty, annoying but for sake of peace I just cleared it up. Anyway, was chatting to DB and he asked how DC were getting on- quick chat about what they've been up to, good school reports etc. He said similar about his DC. SIL had a few digs about going out so early "no idea why you bother" and "how annoying to have all these animals to look after". I ignored her but otherwise all quite amicable, so I thought.

As weather nice, I thought barbecue might be nice. Asked parents and DB/SIL what they thought- all keen (even SIL seemed to brighten up). We have one of those outdoor permanent BBQ house things (came with house when we bought it) but doesn't often get used much so thought it would be fun. Of course, I don't keep enough burgers etc to feed everyone so I said I was going to go shopping to get everything. SIL asked if she could come- no problem but only popping down to farm shop down the road as don't really want to go into town (quite a lot further). I proceed to go to shop and buy burgers, sausages etc and a few other things that I probably don't need but thought may be nice (gin)/useful for store cupboard.

On the way back in the car SIL got really quite annoyed about the amount I had spent because it's more than she would spend "food for a week". I think it's none of her business and I have never (and don't intend to) ask for a financial contribution towards meals from guests, so really what I spend is not an issue for anyone else. She wouldn't have known if she hadn't asked to come, so it's not like I did it to deliberately rub her nose in it. TBH I didn't even register that it may be a problem. I just said "ok, well sorry you're upset but I don't think I've done anything wrong". She went off in a huff, I've ignored it and carried on.

Now, I've just had a rant from SIL. About everything, and how unfair it is. She has apparently looked up the school fees, how much the last holiday we took must have cost (she didn't get it right) and so on. I don't get it- none of this is new or different from how it has been for a long time. She is still furious that we didn't loan them money recently, apparently (but this is because they have form for not paying back money lent to them). She has somehow learned that I have just bought an expensive thing related to my and DC's hobby (no idea how as I haven't told her or DB anything about it). It was more than they had asked to borrow and she feels that this is insensitive of me to have done so.... I meant, WTF is going on.

What we do with our money has got nothing to do with her. I don't think I rub their noses in it- certainly not deliberately. Some things there is simply no getting away from, we are financially secure and have a good quality of life and it is obviously different from theirs, no hiding it. BUT I have never told her how much anything is or gone on about holidays/cars etc (they aren't that interesting to anyone else). I don't discuss how much anything costs/what I spend on things with anyone really (other than DP) as I think that is rude. So the only way she knows this is to have looked it up herself- but how is that anything to so with me?

I get that she may be upset we wouldn't lend them money, but it wouldn't be a loan, as they never pay it back. Despite their promises. I have written off the money lent to them in the past, but I am not doing it again as I don't like being treated like a mug. It's not really the money, it's the principle. Yes, I can afford to lend it to them but I am not their personal cash machine. And I know that it wouldn't stop at one loan, it would be constant pestering for money (this is what happened after the first episode). So I said no- and would only help again in an absolute emergency (e.g. they were going to be made homeless or something like that).

I can understand that she might not particularly have wanted to come- but it was their suggestion. I suppose it's possible it was DB's ideas, but even so, surely she either makes her excuses and stays at home, or comes and behaves with good grace?

I guess I'm struggling to see why this is a problem now and why she things our finances are any of her business?

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AnneLovesGilbert · 07/07/2018 18:26

How odd. She’s being incredibly rude and they have no right to your money in any circumstances but they’re especially rude to be asking for more when they still owe you from past “loans”.

When your host spends money on lovely food and drink, puts you up and offers to cook for you the only appropriate response is “thank you”. Complaining about you buying good quality food is bizarre.

Nothing you’ve said suggests you’re running their face in anything Hmm

I wouldn’t have them to stay again. Weird money stuff aside, she’s a grown woman who won’t acknowledge you, thank you for a lift (couldn’t they get a taxi?!), clean up after herself or pitch in on a family gathering. Your DB must be horrified at how rude she is! I’m cringing for her and I haven’t been putting up with her.

I don’t agree that smiling and turning the other cheek to her barbs is a good idea because she’s going to keep doing it.

After this visit is over I’d tell your DB you know SIL didn’t enjoy the visit because of the many negative things she said to you so next time they need to get a b&b.

He’s as bad making a mess of your kitchen, asking for your money, getting you to run around after them both. But she’s being out and out chippy and you don’t need that in your home on what could have been a nice relaxed weekend.

MissSusanSays · 07/07/2018 18:27

She sounds like a total bellend. Your money is your money.

Maybe if she wasn’t such a dick you’d feel like helping them out a bit more. But you aren’t obligated.

Do you know what they wanted the money for?

Shumpalumpa · 07/07/2018 18:28

Well quite clearly your parents are passing on information. I imagine the sil is frustrated that she cannot have the same lifestyle. Who funds it?

The implication that someone has to be 'funding' a woman's lifestyle is depressing.

My thought was that OP has managed to create a good lifestyle for herself. Whether that's through her career or marriage is irrelevant. I doubt her parents have funded considering they live on OP's land.

hammeringinmyhead · 07/07/2018 18:29

What did you say when she started ranting?

I would speak to your DB and say she isn't welcome if she is going to behave like that so he can come on his own or they can bypass your house entirely.

Isawthelight · 07/07/2018 18:29

Call her out on it. "Why do you think my finances are any of your business?"...

Isawthelight · 07/07/2018 18:30

Who funds it?

That's no more your business than it is the SILs.

Honeyroar · 07/07/2018 18:30

Next time she starts about what you're spending/what you have spent, id stop her in her tracks and tell her she is being rude. Tell her you're trying really hard to make this a lovely weekend for everyone, but if she carries on with her snippy comments on your there's going to be a fallout. Ask her if there is something bothering her, give her a chance to say something, but if she doesn't say it ask her to leave it at that. Chances are she may flounce, as far as someone who doesn't drive can, but so what, she's driving a wedge in anyway..

LilQueenie · 07/07/2018 18:33

sounds like jealousy to me. I knew someone like this. would go to her sisters house and nitpick and make digs about everything. On the way home she it was all about how she thought her sister was better than everyone else. She actually wasn't. It was just that her sister had married and had her own house and more holidays and so on.

jacks11 · 07/07/2018 18:34

Count

We fund it! By working.

To be fair, we have been lucky as DH parents did help us out years ago when buying 1st property. However, we repaid that loan quite a long time ago. I also inherited money from my grandmother (DB did not, due to his own actions as they were estranged. It was not something done because of favouritism- he did something very wrong and he and DGM remained estranged as a result). However, whilst this has given us a nest egg and made some things easier, life on a day to day basis wouldn't be massively different.

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Aquamarine1029 · 07/07/2018 18:34

Fuck her ten ways to Sunday. How dare she be such a vicious cow whilst in your home! You ABSOLUTELY need to put her soundly in her place.

InfiniteVariety · 07/07/2018 18:36

She sounds awful - entitled & resentful.
How you spend your money is none of her business.
If they have failed to repay loans in the past, that is good enough reason not to lend them any more.
You have not been unreasonable in any way.

hmcAsWas · 07/07/2018 18:37

"I know you say you weren't deliberately rubbing her face in it, but you still were doing it. It doesn't go away just because you're not trying to do it, it doesn't work like that."

How was the op "still doing it"? What would you have her do? - pretend to life a different lifestyle and swerve the farm shop where she usually shops and make a big (patronising) show of buying her meat at Lidl so as not to offend SIL's delicate sensibilities?

OftenHangry · 07/07/2018 18:37

YANBU
If I were you, I would stop all but absolutely necessary contact. This will never go away. If you buy something, you are the bad guy, if you don't, you are just not buying it "because you feel sorry for us and we don't need your pity"....
You can't win with people like this. I USED to have a friend who was doing similar things. Couldn't get over the fact we could afford a rent in a better apartment than hers, that we could afford treats like a good chese (our weaknessgrin) etc. It's so tiring that I just stopped calling her or answering her calls in the end.

AnneLovesGilbert · 07/07/2018 18:38

I can’t imagine how they’re not embarrassed to still owe you money. Does he try and mooch off your parents too or just you?

KatieHaslam22 · 07/07/2018 18:41

If your brother ever fancy’s re-marrying I would love to come and stay at your house with all your animals Grin and I won’t complain about it. You sound lovely, she sounds hard work

jacks11 · 07/07/2018 18:42

Hammering

I told her that our finances aren't any of her business. I have suggested we just move on as it's a long evening ahead- but asked her to keep her opinions to herself in future.

She has flounced off and no doubt will ignore me for the rest of the evening....

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quizqueen · 07/07/2018 18:43

You should never lend this ungrateful, rude woman money ever again and, if I were you, I wouldn't have her to stay in your home again either. Some people just don't deserve helping and what you spend your money on is your family's business alone. It's not your problem that they have less than you. I think you need to have a serious talk with your brother about her unacceptable behaviour and, in future, cut down the amount of times you see her.

SenoritaViva · 07/07/2018 18:43

You have done nothing wrong. I also agree that you weren't rubbing her face in it. If you can afford to buy a few extras so be it. She sounds jealous and ungrateful (I'd be thinking what a treat). The fact you've bought something for yourself and DC is no business of hers.

You sound lovely. I'll come for a farm shop BBQ anytime (and walk my dog early with you!)

SandAndSea · 07/07/2018 18:44

I think you need to nip back and shut her down. From what you've written, you don't owe her anything and what you do with your money is your business, not hers. I think you need to make this very clear to her. (Maybe tell her how much she still owes you whilst you're at it.)

Tbh, I think you should have confronted her straight away, before you gave her the lift.

Have you posted before? Your situation sounds familiar.

SenoritaViva · 07/07/2018 18:44

@jack11 win win if she ignores you Grin

everythingelseisalreadytaken · 07/07/2018 18:45

It sounds like she has her own insensitivies and these are coming out in the way she perceives your behaviour.

Ignore her.

Iloveacurry · 07/07/2018 18:46

She’s a jealous bitch. It’s your money and it’s got nothing to do with her. She sounds very entitled. I would stop bothering with them. If your parents want to see them, perhaps they should go to them. I wouldn’t be going out my way to pick them up etc for a visit to yours. She’s embarrassed herself. What did your DB have to say about her behaviour?

CoffeeOrSleep · 07/07/2018 18:47

Does she know the size of the money you inherited from your grandmother that your DB didn't? He might well have glossed over why he was disinherited, so it looks like you are the favourite. She may also believe your parents have funded your house/land purchase. (Particulary if they have tried to get your parents to loan/give them money and have been told a white lie that there's none available).

She may well have built it all up in her mind that her DH has been 'hard done by'...

Just ignore, she's rude and bitter. If your brother has an issue with you not giving him money (as you both know it wouldn't be a loan), then he should say so.

PrimalLass · 07/07/2018 18:49

You've posted about them before, right? YWNBU then either.

jacks11 · 07/07/2018 18:50

I do know it's jealousy- and I know they are struggling financially (have been for a long time). I know DB does sometimes feel down about how different things are for my DC when compared to his- which I can understand. But is not my fault and not something I can fix. Even if I gave them money, it wouldn't solve it as both DB and SIL are hopeless with money. On a few occasions my parents have helped out, got them onto an even keel and then within months it's back to where they started. I have lent money to pay off debts and put on deposit on a flat- they then moved to council flat. SIL spends money like she's got a hole in her pocket, DB is getting better but has a history of this. DB doesn't earn a huge amount (perhaps £20K, I don't know for sure) and SIL isn't working as she's at college but was on NMW before this. They live in a small flat, in a quite a rough area.

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