To wonder what the point of cisgender is?

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I’ve just read an article where cisgender is described as “someone who identifies as the sex they were assigned at birth”. Is this an actual thing? Why is this even given a label? Surely if you were born male or female and you live as a male or female then this is what you “identify” as. (If you even feel the need to identify as anything, rather than just living your life as you).

It seems like everything must be given a label these days. The worlds gone fucking mad.

The reason I don't like cis is that it is defined ( from memory by stonewall) as a person who's gender identity matches their sex. Thus it implies an innate gender identity.

What is wrong with that? don't you have an inner sense of yourself as being a man/woman?

It’s a waste of time labelling cisgender. Can we move onto something else, please Mumsnet ?

LynseyKola.

I suspect you will twist my words no matter what.

I don't think trans people are a subset either.

I was questioning why billions of people suddenly needed a new, unecessary prefix adding to man/woman.

My 'ideology' is very clear thanks.

Couldn't care less how people choose to dress or label themselves but humans cannot change sex.

I loathe the term 'cis' and find it highly offensive.

I don't 'identify' as an accountant, I am one. Likewise, I don't 'identify' as female or as a woman, I am a woman.

I am also sick to the back teeth of other people telling me what or how to think. Other people can think what they like, as long as they don't start imposing their views on me.

It’s a waste of time labelling cisgender. Can we move onto something else, please Mumsnet ?

Nope, this is the spiral of identity politics which has culminated into the situation were we have GC feminists on the same side as far right.

Subset (noun): a part of a larger group of related things.

Thank you for mansplaining this, LyndseyKola. How would we have not known until now?

No I don't have an inner sense of being a man or a woman. In my dreams for example I am sometimes a woman and sometimes a man. In stories I often identify as a man - strider for example in LOTR

In life, I would prefer to be treated as a man , except when biology is relevant. So I would rather be tested for cervical cancer than prostrate. By treated as a man, well a boss of mine once had to lay into a chap who would not talk to me because I was a woman even though I was the only person who could solve his problem.

I think this is common experiance for women, not all, but a sizeable proportion. cis therefore excludes me or imposes on me.

Don’t kill the puppys rufus. We need the them

Thank you for mansplaining this, LyndseyKola. How would we have not known until now?

I won’t explain the term ‘mansplain’ to you, but I would love to know why you’ve assumed I’m a male (cis or trans)?

If you bothered to read the post I was referring to, it was relevant. The poster’s point rested on their inaccurate understanding of the word.

How on earth are people so confused by this? It's just a word that describes a state of being - like 'straight'. It's not an insult, it's just a descriptive word for when we need to be really specific, which isn't very often.
I really don't understand what the problem is!

Nobody is genuinely confused, Polar. At least not by now, given the prevalence of these threads on MN.

Nobody discusses to understand. Just to spread deeply held entrenched views that are already in existence. Absolutely no confusion involved.

No it's not being straight. Straight is usually related to sexuality...in the context are you same/opposite/both/none sex attracted

To reuse the phrase straights again implies that there is something matched to the sex ...the something being gender identify . Why do people refuse to accept that gender identity is not universal? Most people have ten toes but that is not universal either. But having 9 toes is much less common than not having a gender identity

There is a second deeper question that asks if the gender identity that people have is innate /nature or something that they have learnt /nurture.

Surely if someone tells you they find something offensive, you try to avoid it? Or is that just my female socialisation again?

Don’t kill the puppys rufus.

Thats just a vicious rumour...who told you

Alright JAPAB, so if I indicated someone as that woman over there that’s considered non-trans friendly but saying that cis woman over there is totally fine?

Even though loads of women on here say they find it offensive to be described as such? You’d rather offend the women by using cis as a modifier even though there is no logical reason to use it? Because you haven’t got the first clue looking at someone of their gender identity because as you and so many others on this thread have said, it’s got nothing to do with clothes or what you look like but what’s in your head?

Right?

For the “cis is just a descriptor” posters:

“Cis” has only been a thing very recently. It only came about after transactivists began claiming the trans identifying men were literal women, so a prefix was needed.

Transsexual people have been around for ever. Why is it only now that we need a more precise way of defining sex?

Yes @SmileEachDay - I’m totally happy to accept trans women and trans men, they exist and for the most part are just normal people.

Unfortunately, the most vocal and vicious are those that have introduced trans gender, then cis gender, now women are cis and trans women are women, now women have fishy smelling front holes and trans women have vaginas, we’re all jealous etc. Well no. I’m not accepting that. Ten years ago I might have. Ten years ago I wasn’t being threatened with doxxing and murder on Twitter for suggesting that male bodies should not be in women’s shelters.

Funny isn’t it how the most vocal and who’ve made the most change are white middle aged trans women? Almost like they are capitalising on their male privilege

Why is it transphobic to feel offended by being called a cis woman?

How far are folk willing to accept “real TW”? Winning Wimbledon? Setting a new unbreakable for females) 100m world record? The resl TW who rape - being sent to a female prison?

Cis is nonsense on stilts.

And if I were to be pedantic if we are to use cis and trans as a means to differentiate between women whose gender matches their sex and those where it doesn't, than a transwoman would be what is currently called a transman, i.e. A woman (biological female and socialised female) whose gender identity doesn't match that sex.

Otherwise you are saying that woman is a gender identity and trans means the sex doesn't match. Making gender not sex the primary , more important factor.

I’d sooner be labelled transphobic then cis.

RAPE AND SEXUAL ASSAULT WILL CONTINUE TO BE ILLEGAL

And this is an equally valid reason why biological males, however they present, should be fine in men's toilets / changing rooms / prisons etc. Assault is illegal. If anything happens just call the police!

What is wrong with that? don't you have an inner sense of yourself as being a man/woman?

No, JAPAB, I don't. Neither do many other people. All of which you'd already know if you ever bothered to listen to the women who post on these threads, as this has been repeated again and again.

I’d sooner be labelled transphobic then cis.

Hear, hear.