To wonder what the point of cisgender is?

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I’ve just read an article where cisgender is described as “someone who identifies as the sex they were assigned at birth”. Is this an actual thing? Why is this even given a label? Surely if you were born male or female and you live as a male or female then this is what you “identify” as. (If you even feel the need to identify as anything, rather than just living your life as you).

It seems like everything must be given a label these days. The worlds gone fucking mad.

@ChardonnaysPrettySister I am not telling women what they are, I am addressing the original question!

dad

You said it twice

The second time after she had already said she wasnt

Its really very easy to discuss it without attaching it to individual posters name...loads of people on the thread seem to be managing it

Mumsnet have 'banned' the term outside of discussion purposes

just a heads up that if you keep saying littlbrowndog is cis then you might be deleted

@ijustwannadance Sexuality is an attraction to a particular gender or sex. It's not like old young or disabled. You can be gay and celibate.

pile

Intesting choice of word

How about we 'pile' homophobia on to lesbians

Or 'pile' islamaphobia on to muslim women

Or 'racism' onto black women

Cos applies to both men and women. The term was invented by a cis scientist. You are not the 'default', there is no such thing as a default except in your narrow minds. It is a biological term, not a pop culture one. We have to words for opposites or it's impossible to discuss the world (do you call your freezer your 'not hot'?). It is only heard as an insult by people who also think calling someone trans would be an insult.

Any more ridiculous arguments or y'all just wanna admit you're a bunch of transphobes and make reporting you so you get deleted that bit easier?

Regular posters should be alerted to brigading and possible sock puppeting on this thread.

I'm a regular poster but I've never encountered these terms before, can someone point me towards a 'translation'? thanks...

I suppose you could be a cis reindeer

Fuck off

The day you see rufusthecisreindeer is the day you tell mumsnet ive been kidnapped

Or the police...police might be more useful

Will keep that in mind, Rufus.

cant remember the brigading one but sock puppeting is where you invent posters who agree with you

So you set up fake user names

I rarely spot them unless they are really really obvious!

Actually i might just name change to that to see if anyone DOES call the police

@Rufustheyawningreindeer OK - thanks for the heads-up. I can't see where she told me not to call her a ciswoman, and I specified that it was in the context of this terminology, but I'll confine myself to discussing the issue in general.

@Rufustheyawningreindeer

*pile

Intesting choice of word

How about we 'pile' homophobia on to lesbians

Or 'pile' islamaphobia on to muslim women

Or 'racism' onto black women*

Yes, gay people suffer homophobia, women suffer sexism, transgender people suffer transphobia, BEMs suffer racism and they all intersect. The metaphor of them being all being piled on seems quite apt. My point was that in addition to gender based oppresion, trangender people suffer transphobia, though transwomen, unlike transmen and ciswomen, don't suffer sex-based oppression.

Thank you dad

It would be a shame to lose a post because you didnt realise

Omg I accidentally put racism into quote marks

I forgot to put pile!!

I have read your post dad don't completely agree but im not ignoring you

Men are allowed their boundaries and they are allowed to state them loud and proud.

Women have to put in all sorts of qualifiers, to 'satisfy' certain criteria on their boundaries. They are never allowed to just say no.

Moonkissed, you're spot on. To illustrate, I was discussing this with my brothers recently and they were very blunt. As far as they were concerned any bloke with a working penis seeking access to spaces in which women and girls are naked and/or vulnerable is a pervert. No hesitation.

Owen Jones was happy to say TWAW and scold lesbians until he was told to perform cunnilingus on a transman. Weird, huh?

DadJoke, do you actually understand WHY women fought for and have sex based protections under current law? Why they are sadly very, very necessary? Why they need penis free spaces?
Why should we suddenly smile and allow these penis having males into these spaces just to stop THEIR feeling being hurt?
Just because a few people decide they are in the wrong body, it doesn't make the reasons these sex based protections are in place magically dissappear.

Do you think it's ok that teenage girls are being told that they must allow the 15/16 year old, fully functioning, male bodied person into their changing rooms in school because he now identifies as a girl?
Or that same male being allowed to share dorms/tents with younger girls at girl guides? And if those young girls or parents don't agree they are branded transphobes.

Safeguarding suddenly goes to shit to appease a tiny minority.

@Prawnofthepatriarchy DadJoke, if you are in fact male, then I don't give a flying fuck what risks or invasions you think women should tolerate for your brave new world.

On the basis I was answering what I was asked by another person, and it wasn't you who was asking, that's interesting information, but not really pertinent. On the other hand, I'm glad you aren't holding back.

I absolutely agree that its ciswomen feminists who support sex-based protection who get the brunt of the insults from the other side. Men, as always, get away with a lot more.

So...ciswomen and Men?
Says it all mate.

Dadjoke- it's a bit rich of you to be trying to be arbiter on how women should be defending their rights. This is an issue you will never ever experience.

Bringin, brigading is where a number of new or unfamiliar posters turn up and you get the impression that they are operating more or less in concert. Google will give you a more detailed explanation. Ditto sock puppet.

If you want to add weight to an otherwise flimsy argument one way is to manufacture at least one second identity that agrees with you. That's a sock puppet. MNHQ had to turf a PBP and their sock puppet off a thread in the Feminism board last week.

Mumsnet in under attack from transactivists. There have been threads in the last week or so that are full of GFs, provocation and general weirdness. This thread is one of them.

Cis is nothing more than a term designed to subjugate women to being a subset. Or being a non-male.

Its the rubbish liberals will stupidly adopt in trying to be all inclusive.

@Rufustheyawningreindeer Thank you! I am not 100% decided on these issues, but I have the huge luxury of being a man who is not trans, so I am not affected directly. I have learned on this thread that I need to respect lived experience more.

I am definitely of the view that sex is a real biological fact, and connected to but separate from gender. A lot of transgender people would consider this transphobic.

@MrPan Dadjoke- it's a bit rich of you to be trying to be arbiter on how women should be defending their rights. This is an issue you will never ever experience.

I was asked my view, I gave it. However I will never experience gender or sex based oppression, and I will happily piss off if my presence is poisoning the debate in the view of any poster. Just ask and I'm off.

@IfNot So...ciswomen and Men?
Says it all mate.

Ah! You totally got me bang to rights. Should have been ciswomen and cismen.