To think this behaviour regarding Pope's visit to Ireland is despicable

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The Pope is visiting Ireland in August and two public Masses will be held. For Health and Safety reasons numbers attending have to be limited so free tickets are being allocated, on line, on a first come first served basis.

People who object to his visit are deliberately buying up thousands of tickets, booking in fake coach tours etc to ensure a low turn out and, in the process, deny tickets to those who want to attend.

AIBU to think that, whatever your religious beliefs, this is petty, vindictive, intolerant and downright despicable behaviour>

Are you fucking serious? As a child my husband was repeatedly raped by his school principal. A man who in that school had criminal charges pressed against him by 50+ families. That's over children who came forward, my husband was never able to and the odds are, there are more like him than those who did speak out. When the first complaints were made about him in the 80s, what do you think happened? The bishop moved him to a new school to keep the families of the abused quiet and guess what the monster did at the new school? Guess what came out about his previous school that he was moved from before he got to abuse all of the children in my husband's school?

My husband never recovered. His confident was shattered as a teen, he was bullied in school and eventually found confidence in alcohol. Which lead to him forming an addiction that he has never been able to break. He has tried to kill himself on multiple occasions, including when our son was a baby. It's ended our marriage, left our child without any real father, precipitated behaviour which has put me through hell. And while I believe my adult husband does need to find a way to take responsibility for his actions as a grown man, I also know that the abuse he suffered in childhood is not something that ended with the abuse. Something fundamental in him broke and is not likely to ever be repairable.

The church under Pope Francis still covers up for these abusers. Even this month Francis is still making proclamations to his clergy instructing them to protect these monsters at the expense of the safety and security of children. Fuck him. Fuck his fucking mass. Fuck his attempt to seek legitimacy in my country that was fucking ruined for decades by his vile organisation. Fuck him for never apologising to the thousands of women his organisation enslaved for profit, who's babies they sold for profit. Fuck him for refusing to repay the reparations of nearly €8bln they were court ordered to pay their victims that my government had to pay instead. Fuck him for overseeing an organisation clinging to our schools and health system despite the money they owe the country. Fuck him for coming here in what was clearly a deliberate attempt to whip up a Catholic fervour ahead of what they assumed would be a November referendum on the 8th amendment and subvert our democracy.

He deserves a life sentence in a prison for continuing to hide the crimes of the magnitude he wants his organisation to keep hiding. But the worst thing his victims want to do to him is ensure a low turn out at his mass? A mass that's going to cost the state €20mln to host and that will see thousands of homeless people in emergency accommodation shipped out of capital to accommodate mass attendees. Fuck that. Every ticket that's taken and not used is another hotel room that can continue to accommodate a homeless family. Those people are fucking heroes.

I worked in Angola with Street kids for two years. The Catholic Church preach that condoms cause aids. That you can’t get hiv if you’re married. Priests and missionaries rape and traffic children on a massive scale. They keep people poor deluded and desperate while lining their own pockets by charging people for baptising their dying babies.
I think your use of the term “despicable behaviour” is somewhat misplaced, don’t you?

Exactly what GinnyWreckin said.

It also sends out a terrible image of Ireland as a country so lacking in confidence and tolerance that this kind of heavy handed method is being used to prevent those who wish to attend a Papal mass from doing so.
It sends a terrible message that some people are still supporting this madness (the church). It's disgusting that some turn a blind eye to it.

Childish, insecure, manipulative and close minded.

You've just described the catholic church, but you missed out child rapists, abusers and stealers.

" jimmy savile (as I was) and horrified they gave him the honor of a catholic sainthood"

Come again?

Surely those who are trying to sabotage that are behaving in as intolerant and close minded way as the very people they're protesting about.

How fucking dare you. You are actually comparing a peaceful protest that might prevent a few hundred people going to one mass to a bunch of child rapists and enslavers? The bastards who threw the bodies of 800 children in their care into a fucking septic tank. The people who were paid for the children in their care to be used as guinea pigs for the testing of bovine medication. Fucking seriously?

You really think they are comparable? For one second? Then you need to give your head a wobble.

Yes that's all gone on and that is not Catholicism that is people acting in the name of Catholicism.

But the normal Catholic on the street does not condone or turn a blind eye to this. They are glad that all of that has been exposed and that there is now a chance to 'go back to basics' as it were and almost begin again with more tolerant, kind and just representatives of the Church leading the way.

It is really nasty to say that those who still have a Catholic faith support the heinous acts of those who abused their positions within the church to abuse, humiliate and harm others.

They are on Joe Duffy today talking about it, one man says he had 650 tickets booked so no one can use them

Jimmy Saville had a Papal Knighthood, not a sainthood. Although I wouldnnt have put that past them if his crimes had remained "undiscovered" a bit longer.....

"Yes that's all gone on and that is not Catholicism that is people acting in the name of Catholicism."
Don't you think that's getting a bit tired?

The catholic church destroyed a generation of womens lives. I've recently come to know more about it through my own family. I really don't care what the pope does and if people want to protest, good for them. It was long enough the church had its clutches into Irish society. I'm proud my generation are standing up to it.

They condone it and are directly complicit in it. Your attitude is exactly what has led to their atrocities being perpetuated for so long. If the lay catholics opposes the horrific abuse and killings it would have ended. People knew and they kept quiet and allowed it to happen and continue to do so. So yes. They are equally as guilty. I think you need to examine your moral compass. It’s way off course.

Its a very good way to protest the head of an appalling organisation coming to your country. No different than the people who will be protesting against Trump visiting the UK. Power to the people.

And yes what Tringley said by 1 billion. Of course it wasn't just women they destroyed, many men, boys also. I have just had a very painful reminder about the treatment of young women, hence my saying women.

I would use the tickets and stage a walkout midway. Presumably banners won't be allowed, if they were perhaps a few thousand demanding actual apologies and convictions (also of the enablers) would be a nice photo op?
And no, simply not condoning evil is not enough. The Pope and his gang of holy politicians are not progressive. Not enough of the clergy have been called to account, they still treat women as lesser beings and frankly the fewer show up the better.

Maybe they should pray to god to sort it out.

Peaceful protest with a clever idea- despicable

What word would you use to describe the catholic church???

Is there anything to be said for another mass?

I don't think it's that clever. How does a few people buying up loads of tickets send a message about how the whole of Ireland now feels about the Catholic Church. As. I said, it would be a much stronger message if people just didn't go because they didn't want to.

I generally dislike the Catholic church and the Irish Catholic establishment especially, but IF people are doing this, then it is not a good idea. It's just plain immoral for a start. And it is counter productive and will just feed the victim mentality among religious conservatives.

The religiosity of Ireland is already diminishing anyway--not interfering with the march and letting the numbers attending decide themselves naturally will be the best way of demonstrating this. If non-religious people sabotage attendance, it will become harder to see the decline in religiosity and everyone will just say "Oh, the crowds WOULD have been huge had it not been for all those people deliberately ruining the event."

I think you're kidding yourself.

Immoral?? 😂😂😂

I generally dislike the Catholic church and the Irish Catholic establishment especially, but IF people are doing this, then it is not a good idea. It's just plain immoral for a start.

How is peaceful protest 'immoral'?

I think it’s hilarious.

After the paedophilia scandal, the tuam babies and all the other horrors visited upon us by that church, I think it’s an excellent non-violent protest.

Wish I’d thought of it.

Yours,
A former Irish Catholic who knows see for it what it is

How does a few people buying up loads of tickets send a message about how the whole of Ireland now feels about the Catholic Church

Its sends a message that the whole of Ireland does not agree with the appalling behaviour of the Catholic Church and the Pope as its leader.