To think this behaviour regarding Pope's visit to Ireland is despicable

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The Pope is visiting Ireland in August and two public Masses will be held. For Health and Safety reasons numbers attending have to be limited so free tickets are being allocated, on line, on a first come first served basis.

People who object to his visit are deliberately buying up thousands of tickets, booking in fake coach tours etc to ensure a low turn out and, in the process, deny tickets to those who want to attend.

AIBU to think that, whatever your religious beliefs, this is petty, vindictive, intolerant and downright despicable behaviour>

It would be interesting to see what the turn out was like without the protest.

I looked it up and apparently 2.5 million came to see the Pope in 1979 over all the event, with 450,000 people coming just to see him do Mass at Knock! If you've ever been there you will know..... That's a lot of people in a small place!

Apparently the Knock tickets this time went within hours, but now they won't know if there were lots of people who actually wanted to go but couldn't because of people buying up all the tickets.

Surely it would have been more effective not to take up all the tickets and let any discrepancy in numbers between 2018 and 1979 speak for itself?

Here’s the address for getting tickets!

www.worldmeeting2018.ie/en/Tickets

Thanks again OP for publicizing this protest. The good news is you don’t even need a real email address to grab (max 12) tickets.

Good luck everyone. Thanks again OP for spreading awareness

No one would dream to sabotage a Islamic or Jewish event like this but apparently the Catholic Church does not have the same protections the other major faiths have.

I love this

And then you have the people that do disgusting things under the cover of religion. Child rapists, murders, abusers, excusers, and people still buy into it. WTF.

That video never gets old, Gay Byrne's face! 😂

I showed my MIL it, she loved it, said he put into words how she felt but didn't know how to say.

Pretending it wasn't really Catholicism

But was it really?
Vile men who misused their authority, absolutely. Should they have had that authority, no.*
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It's far too soon to think people should be grateful for the teeny number that are trying to to something
Too many want everyone to shut up and forget it all because it's in the past

I don't think anyone is saying people should be grateful!
But people are getting blamed for it who it had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Assuming your British, you don't have to apologise for horrific things the British empire once did - and which the government still continues to do.

There are only one or two MEN only..... entering the CC seminary these days.

There is a lot more than a few.
The cost of priesthood training also lowers the numbers.

Wendi, 6 men entered Maynooth, the national seminary for Ireland, in 2016: www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/number-of-new-trainee-priests-at-maynooth-hits-record-low-1.3233625 The cost of training is borne by the diocese, so cost is not a factor. Diarmuid Martin referred recently to the gay dating apps used by the students there. Vocations in Ireland are a massive clusterfuck.

And as for blaming people that have nothing to do with it, if you attend Mass, participate in rituals and pay (cash in hand) for the services provided by the church, then you give them a mandate to continue unchanged...

12 tickets for the final mass ordered

If the event sells out could we resell the tickets on ebay?

The Stephen Fry interview resulted in a Blasphemy case against him under Irish Law. Never followed up though, and that aspect is due to be voted on in referendum soon to repeal, It's taking time, but ROI is becoming inclusive and non judgmental. I hope.

www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/garda-launch-blasphemy-probe-into-stephen-fry-comments-on-the-meaning-of-life-35684262.html

OMG Gay Byrne's faces is a picture. Classic.

I'm not sure what protesters are hoping to achieve here.

No one will know why you didn't attend, you could be sick, missed your train, couldn't park your car, or gasped from heatstroke on the way to the venue.

Anyway, I suppose you feel you are denying others the right to attend by your actions. I actually think that is quite puerile.

A counter protest is what should have been done say in Dublin City Centre. Would have been great fun.

So you have denied the deniers a day out, and those who wanted to attend, the same thing.

I'd safely say though, that the World Family thing is shitting themselves (not), although they could have swerved this one quite easily if they had said their prayers for long enough.

The Stephen Fry interview resulted in a Blasphemy case against him under Irish Law. Never followed up though

It's true, how could they possible argue what he said wasn't. They would just add an extra layer of foolish delusions to what they have already.

Even this month Francis is still making proclamations to his clergy instructing them to protect these monsters at the expense of the safety and security of children

@Tringley I try to stay up to date with this heinous issue, but this sounds like something I've missed ... do you have a link please?

I would like to see a Blasphemy charge against Stephen Fry stand up to the European Court of Human Rights. He would have a field day, calling out 'God' for his evil acts, using the publicity he would get. I think he would break the internet.

No one will know why you didn't attend Unless the MSM get hold of the story Any journos about?

Assuming your British, you don't have to apologise for horrific things the British empire once did - and which the government still continues to do
You're making a point here, but I don't think it's the one you think you're making.

Plenty of people in Ireland, have a deep instilled dislike for British people. They are very bitter about it. Because the average British person doesn't know anything about the history of what Britain did to Ireland. Their ignorance of it is akin to burying heads heads in sand. Complacency is a lack of an apology It's an insult acting like we should be over it because it's in the past, this is not proper acknowledged of the level of wrong that was done, is done.

Ireland is breaking free of the shackles of the Catholic Church. Wounds as far too fresh to expect everyone to be nice and understanding to you because you're Catholic and you personally didn't do anything. It's unfortunate but it's just what happens when the suppressed and abused gain freedom. There is anger and bitterness; you can't expect it to just go away.

Stripey,

sorry I don't think "Plenty of people in Ireland, have a deep instilled dislike for British people"

That is just so wrong on many levels. Leave that hatred to the fanatics please.

Every time I see that Stephen fry video, I love it more. The only person I have ever seen who was able to shut that condescending prick Gay Byrne up.

Personally I think Stephen Fry is dead right. Did any religious person of any hue who adores their god have a rebuttal ?

Well I am still waiting!

So that's a no then, or a metaphysical philosophical load of shite. Thanks Stephen, you nailed it.

Nope, pretty sure Stripey is on the money.

The "Brits" are a kind of casually hated entity. Not individuals, you understand, but 800 years of oppression, the famine, the obscene excesses of the monarchy, that sort of thing.

He seems ok personally, but he is head of an evil regime , one of his bishops recently tol people who voted yes, to go to confession. Confess to whom, someone who may be a paedophile ?

There are so many people from UK living in ROI and vice versa that it is only the fanatics who spout this rubbish to my mind anyway.

We have moved on a lot, especially after Queen Elizabeth visited Dublin and Cork. She got a great welcome.

ROI now has a new Garda Commissioner (Chief Constable for the whole of ROI). A Presbyterian from NI who is deputy CC of the PSNI. His father was killed by the IRA too.

Now honestly, who would EVER have thought that would occur in ROI.

The times they are a changing.

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It costs 20k a year to put one student through the priesthood. Cost is a factor, most dioceses don't have any money.

StripySocksAndDocs (I must apologise because I realise you weren't the poster who said they weren't Irish, which is why i assumed you were British.)

You're making a point here, but I don't think it's the one you think you're making.

That was the point I was trying to make.
No one seems to not care about their history, but will quite happily blast someone else for theirs.

Most people judging Catholics for still attending mass are probably still quite happily paying for their TV license. It's hypocrisy.

I know the OP has done her hair flip and gone. But her point that the tickets are being taken away from people who really want to go is a 'moo' point.

The tickets have been available on line since yesterday morning - limited to 500,000 for the Dublin 'final mass'. Still available now - Tuesday night.

In a country where tickets for concerts sell out in minutes ....